After an hour talking with Grr_Gunho and Grr_John_Wayne, who were somewhat awed by my skill with the M60 (87 kills/65 deaths in ta_crates with it, outnumbered 3-1).This is what I feel are the strengths and weaknesses for the weapons that I've used. I'll start with the favored weapons of mine, then work down to the weapons I'm less familiar with.-M60:Strengths: Not limited by range, very strong. large ammo capacityWeaknesses: slow rate of fire, can't fire while moving, inaccurate while standing.I like using this in places I either know I'll be crawling or prone, or in places where good cover fire is needed. It's excellent for strafing fire at mid/long range, and in close range is excellent (if you can shoot first). If you're in a level where you can be exposed for protracted periods of time, then this isn't a smart bet. If you can get prone or crouched and stay that way to use it, you're more or less unstoppable. Grenades and SMGs are unfortunately the weapons to counter it. Not so much sniper rifles because you can snipe to a degree with it as well.-PKM:Strengths: Quick fire rate, more mobile while firing.Weaknesses: limited ammo capability (combine the fire rate with the size of the clip and you'll see what I mean), not too strong.I like to think of the PKM as the offensive brother to the M60. The M60 tends to be more of a defensive weapon. With the PKM you can get more on the offensive to a degree. An offensive ambush is probably the best place to use this with. The same conditions with the M60 apply here.-Saiga 12kStrengths: wide shot, powerful, clip loaded.Weaknesses: range, ammo capacityAn excellent weapon for closed in spaces, it tends to fall terribly short of the mark in more open spaces. Great for offense, if you're not in wide open spaces. It's also not that good of a weapon for somewhat drawn out firefights. Great when used in combination with the m79. sniper rifles and assault rifles can cripple someone using the shotgun, though, if they're fast enough.-Benelli M1Strengths: power, wide shot, easy reload.Weaknesses: recoil, rate of fire.I can't see the strengths of this weapon really, while it's powerful, it's just too slow for my liking. Though I can see how it would be excellent if you can sneak up on someone laying prone, or back them into a corner. can be used as a standalone, with heavier armor.-M79Strengths: explosive, range.Weaknesses: breech-loaded, single-shotGreat for demolition, and flushing out foxholes. Not good to rush with. Best as a secondary weapon.-AK47Strengths: Power, accurate single-shot, knife secondaryWeaknesses: widly inaccurate on autofireSurprisingly good to snipe with, the AK47 falls quite a bit short of the mark, unless you're one of the types who prefers to 'Spray and Pray.' Not one of my favorites.-G3A3Strengths: Power, accuracy.Weaknesses: ammo capacity.A great rushing weapon, especially if you're good at tracking targets... only problem is if you're not to accurate, and the guy has a bigger clip than you do, you're screwed with a capital 'F'.-G36EStrengths: Scope, powerWeaknesses: RecoilA great mid-range weapon... for those folks who tend to be second-string fighters. Also good when you want to ambush someone, as the scope + rate of fire can put someone down with little resistance. Only thing is when having to switch off the scope for close range fighting, it kinda messes up your train of thought, as your scroll rate doubles.-M16/M203Strengths: strength, versatility, semi-automaticWeaknesses: switch timeA great rushing weapon, semi-auto keeps your shots much more accurate. having a grenade launcher as your secondary fire is a boon as well. though you'd better switch before you jump into the fray, as the time it takes for you to switch modes can make the difference between life and death.-AK74Strengths: versatility, switch timeWeaknesses: weaker gun mode.Not quite as good as the M16, but it will still get the job done. the no switch time makes things a bit easier when switching between mid/longe range fighting and up close and personal.-SSG3000Strengths: 'The headshot gun', accuracy.Weaknesses: bolt-action, ammo capacity.An -excellent- weapon if you have the perfect sniping spot. Otherwise, it can be more of a pain than it's worth.-M82Strengths: range, power, clip-fedWeaknesses: recoilAnother great weapon if you have a good spot, if you're prone, follow-up shots aren't difficult at all. The recoil thing sucks, otherwise.-----------------------------------I absolutely hate the Dragunov, and I'm pretty inexperienced when it comes to the pistols. I left the FAMAS out because it's more or less capable of anything. Let me know what you folks think.

In the same clan as gunho and john wayne i share their awe with you mging skills our clan has been searching or practicing with the machine gun and any tips you can give would be awesome. I respect the validity of your points and i find them interesting, however you left out the main group the one that everyone uses and i find most fun is the group with the uzi sterling mp5 bizon. these are perhaps the most used and often overlooked weapons in the game. my best weapon is the sterling as proved by the psycho stats and i find its versatility amazing. not only does it have a large clip capacity (34) its rate of fire rivals even the famas. not only that its accuracy is something to be feared. Me and gunho call it the headshot machine and if anyone care to prove us wrong feel free. We will relish the challenge.

I respect the validity of your points and i find them interesting, however you left out the main group the one that everyone uses and i find most fun is the group with the uzi sterling mp5 bizon. these are perhaps the most used and often overlooked weapons in the game.

Whoops.Yea.-UziStrengths: Power, rate of fire, suppressor capacity.Weaknesses: rangeI like the uzi, especially choosing the preselected class 'combat sniper.' I like having a nasty surprise for anyone that manages to make it within firing range of me. -BizonStrengths: Ammo capacity, powerWeaknesses: range, reload time(?)Haven't used it much... it seems like a miniature machine gun, that doesn't pack quite the same punch. Not a favorite.-SterlingStrengths: Power, accuracy, rate of fireWeaknesses: rangeAwesome gun for close-quarters combat. Combine with the M79 and you'd be great with it.-MP5Strengths: Power, range, suppressor capacityWeaknesses: ??My only points are from what I've seen of other people using it.... you can maul someone fairly easily with it. I might be tempted to pick it up one of these days.Sorry, I wrote the initial post at 7AM or so.

Is it just me, or is the G36E incredibly weak if you don't hit someone in the head?

Basically all of the SMG's are bad with range and the recoil on the bizon is a problem.And yes Faux, the g36e is incredibly weak.

-Wraith]I absolutely hate the Dragunov,... Let me know what you folks think.

omg don't go hating on the Dragunov, the SVD is great. its the fastest shot to shot sniper, and with 10 shots if I don't kill you with the first, most the time I will get you with the 2nd or 3rd. With the SSG3000 if you miss a moving target running across smaller area he has time to take cover, with the SVD you can lay 2-3 shot in him.I wouldn't know why you would hate it, I love it. I guess it just my style of playing maybe :roll:

uzi inaccurate? works just as good as a sniper rifle to me

Is it just me...or do some guns work better on some maps then others...Example:Sandblast=g3a6Upham=Ak74(The map with the warhouse guns and such)=mp5I don't know...but I use the mp5 on Sandblast sometimes...and it sucks..and vice versa for the g3a6

Any weapon can work on any map. One day, way back when I was first starting to play, someone made a joke about how I use the M60 "even on maps that aren't right for it" Well, never challenge a fat man.. :wink: I still can't wait for the M249 though

The m16 is the true pwnzor gun of river.

The m16 is the true pwnzor gun of river.

yes, nothing can stop the m16 on river.

-Patriot]

yes, nothing can stop the m16 on river.no one but me!

-going54]

yes, nothing can stop the m16 on river.no one but me!You can stop my M16 Bullets.

i think the best gun on river is G36E, full stop

Yes, but only to a certain degree.And the same with the M16.

im dont like the m16 generally because i cant use its burst fire

It is hard to master the M16 burst, i used to use the single, now i use the burst.Over spring break I improved my M16 skills, and now i find it easy to use the burst.Because, the single is not good for CQB.

I like using the mp5...it hits hard and fast...it may take most of a clip to kill a guy but it rips through armor and seems to snap off headshots really easily