3NF

ah, yeah, i only used the wallhack while watching the demo. but this is what one looks like so you can understand why it gives an advantage to players who use it in game like volkswoot. also, the reason i was looking in his direction is becasue i knew he was up there. i spent like 5 min of that round just running around looking in his general direction so i could go back over it later and see where he was looking and firing.hope that clears it up

the oberland demo was from last night, i believe CD was off, and yes, all of this stuff happened on The Armory server :/

i'm nub, i meant to post this hours ago in here, right after posting on the FA forums. but i had to run out and forgot about it. http://forums.firearmsmod.com/showthread.php?t=68551 http://forums.firearmsmod.com/showthread.php?t=68552 anyway, volkswoot caught cheating. i've already pm'ed mac about trying to get his IP, if anyone with access to that info could drop me a line and maybe help speed things along (pm on TA or FA forums) i would really appreciate it. thanks Alex aka 3NF

thank you so much to the TA SC. i'm glad you gave this issue some consideration and made a decision to try and combat some of the issues on your server. of couse, i won't be truly happen until all map exploiting is gone from play on TA, but this is a step in the right direction

oh, and delta, i can show you some hardcore cams where you won't be able to see me at all, but given you're previous statements about exploiting, i'd be afraid you would try to use them :X

that's a step in the right direction but in order to elimate map exploits you really have to include the wall climbing bug which people use on sandblast, desertcrisis etc

i'm not sure exactly what to call this, it's kind of a shortcoming in the HL system more than anything. i will say that part of the reason people do it is to run faster. that has been fixed in 2.9, you will no longer get a speed boost from doing it.

ok, i'm sorry for all the confusion about this. my intention was to address MAP EXPLOITS, and i will attempt to define them to make this easier for you all. first off, 2.8 is riddled with "exploits" in the gameplay, most have to do with hitboxes, camming, player movement, etc. i am honestly not concerned about those things. it's way too hard to police that stuff even in a league with admins reviewing demos and i wouldn't expect a clan with 90 members to be able to inform everyone of exactly what is allowed and what to look for to kick/ban.that said, i'll try and describe what i mean by MAP exploits. TA is a wonderful server and part of the reason is its diverse map rotation. we get to play old school maps like ps_invasion. but, as fun as they are for the nostalgia factor, there are reasons for the maps being taken out of FA in 2.6, 2.65...2.8. invasion specifically has a very nasty exploit where the blue team can boost up on top of the map and prone and helmet cam as the red team tries to run out. i played one such game and i was the ONLY player on my team able to run out there and even get a kill. grenades cannot hit up there as there are no vertical surfaces to aim at. you HAVE to shoot them. i used an m16 for this task and found that i had to aim low and hit them through walls in order to get kills. desertcrisis is another example. people boost on top of the map in the center area, on top of the cliffs in the base area, and just go prone and hide and cam. sandblast is another perfect example, people ride the wall to the top of the buillding in their base and hide at the end of games. they cam and when they move back you cannot see/kill them. the point is, that you cannot get to any of these spots without either boosting or using the wall climb bug. i can deal with prone strafing and camming and all that stuff. on basically all maps you can move around to another side or nade them or use teamwork or something. but when you have half a team exploiting on top of a roof on ps_invasion, it really starts to ruin the game. you can't even imagine how much whining i saw on my team. as for the other exploits, i worked as hard as i could with mazor during 2.9 development to rid the game of them, and i think we've done a pretty good job compared to previous RCs. but please, the map exploits are really ruining the fun of the game on TA, and FA in general.thanks

rgr, but you guys (i guess gator/sc) have the power to change the rules. i guess one way to think about it is that the creaters of the game didn't intend a lot of these bugs (mainly map bugs), and enforcing a standard of play that they intended would only be doing justice to the game itself and the people who worked so hard to make it good.

ok, i know TA has come under fire so many times for allowing exploits on their server, but i wanted to just come here and voice my opinion, won't bother you again about it, but i was hoping to express an opinion about how it affects the rest of the community.i personally aviod exploiting on all servers at all costs, i think it's wrong to exploit a bug in the game to gain an advantage. what i'm seeing on TA these days is that people tend to spend more time trying to exploit than trying to play and have fun. that ruins the game for the other team and then everyone is just whining and unhappy. also, i get the impression that people tend to learn exploits on TA, then go on other servers and do the same stuff and get kicked/banned. the problem with that is that if a new player starts playing FA and learns an exploit on TA, then goes somewhere else, gets banned, they're gonna wanna quit FA.TA is by far the most popular FA server at this point. i would argue that the experience people have on your server tends to define their experience in this mod in general, and for someone starting a new game, joining the most popular server, and seeing people just exploiting bugs in the game, how does that make FA look :/anyway, i respect that it's your decision to run your server. i'm just pleaing with you to consider how your policies affect FA in general and i hope you'll think about it.thanks,Alex aka 3NF