Hey, Tuesday late afternoon I finaly met you guys in a server and on Vent.

Then my connection proceeded to be bad and I kepy getting "You have a connection problem". Ventrillo, then didn't work very well either and I couldn't hear you guys so I didn't talk.

I did post a message on the screen during game and I hope you guys noticed it.

Was, fun when I didn't lag and when we were in a squad I really noticed how many more points you can get.

hey np Klink.

 

BF2 is really fun in Squads. Frustrating too but fun and worth the effort.

 

Usually if you hang out with mostly TAC in game. Your scores will go up and the fun will too. Even if you dont do well. You will have fun in TAC squads.

 

There are times I am getting owned (Or so it seems) and it is frustrating. You are concentrating and take a sec to look at the scoreboard and see that you are on top. It is like How?! I thought I was getting owned. Then you realize it is the teamwork of the squad helping you out. Keeping you in game and getting the points.

I havent played with the TAC guys in BF2 yet, but if it's anything like their performance in CS you can expect some strategy being used. No matter how good the people youre paying with are, if you played with them enough you learn their strengths and learn to work as a team. BF2 does a great job in rewarding teamwork, and clans really help to get that teamwork going. A squad of two or three people that can work as a team can completely dominate the points of a 6 person squad full of guys that are just playing by themselves.

Ya, I noticed halfway thru one of the games I was ahead of you , not by much but ahead, and then i had to quit. Unbearable lag there for me.

But, I did have fun in BFII for the first time as far as knowing people and trying to work together.

Funny thing, I followed you most of the time thinking maybe I could pick up some tips on how to attack or where to assault from.

Ya, I noticed halfway thru one of the games I was ahead of you , not by much but ahead, and then i had to quit. Unbearable lag there for me.

 

But, I did have fun in BFII for the first time as far as knowing people and trying to work together.

 

Funny thing, I followed you most of the time thinking maybe I could pick up some tips on how to attack or where to assault from.

My keys to success in BF2. Without sounding full of myself, I tend to average high 90s score all most all the time I play.

 

*Pick a class and play it- Spend your first hours playing BF2 sampling the classes and figuring out what you want to play. Then pick a class and stick with it. When you pick a class that gives you basically two guns to learn. The MEC and the US (Three if you count China, but there doesn't seem to be as many people playing the Chinese maps). When you only have to learn two weapons rather than every weapon in the game you are much more skillful with it. There's all sorts of sayings about which gun is overpowered or underpowered, but the truth is most of the guns can take out the other gun when the person using it knows how. I personally play almost solely medic, and I'm pretty nasty with an AK-101 or an M16. If I pick up another kit I'm not so hot, but when I have my weapon it's top of the leader board.

 

*Burst Fire- Not necessarily the three round burst of the M16, just in general burst fire. When you have an automatic weapon, keep it on auto but control yourself to shooting only one or two bullets at a time. That way you have the accuracy of single-shot, but have the full auto so if someone rushes you you can unload on them.

 

*Pick Infantry or Vehicles- Very similar to the whole picking a class part, pick either to be an infantry guy or a vehicle guy. Battlefield is such a large game that you have to specialize to become really good. A great tank driver can demolish an entire team. But a person who plays only sometimes as a tank will get the snot kicked out of him by Anti-tank guys. Same applies to pilots, a good bomber can be very decisive but someone who doesn't know how to accurately bomb will be spending more time bombing his teammates than the enemy.

 

*Know the maps- There's really only one way to do this and that's play a lot of it. You have a decisive advantage over an opponent if you know how to get to his side and hit him where he's least expecting it. The city maps, in particular, have a lot of alleyways that take a lot of learning to really know where everything is located. If there's a grey flag and you know a faster way to it then the enemy you'll have the advantage of being in a defensive position rather than attacking.

 

*Keep moving- If you're looking for points, you have to flag cap. The only way to do this is going from flag to flag capping them. I personally prefer the attack and defend method but if you're going for straight out points you have to cap. Even when you're defending or attacking on foot you need to keep moving. A moving target is much harder to hit than a still target no matter how good the shooter is.

 

Well I guess that's long enough, if I think of anything else I'll post it or edit this post.

I don't understand why you guys keep using Ventrilo? BF2 has a great in-game VoIP support (and I noticed it not working well with any other VoIP software running in the background e.g. conflicting and thus not working)

 

The ability to have two channels one for your squad and one to your commander is one of the really great things you get as a squad leader and I enjoy any moment of it when I have a commander I can ask for supplies and more detail on assigments etc.

 

Well just wanted to throw that in

[DIAL]Doc

Doc']I don't understand why you guys keep using Ventrilo? BF2 has a great in-game VoIP support (and I noticed it not working well with any other VoIP software running in the background e.g. conflicting and thus not working)

 

The ability to have two channels one for your squad and one to your commander is one of the really great things you get as a squad leader and I enjoy any moment of it when I have a commander I can ask for supplies and more detail on assigments etc.

 

Well just wanted to throw that in

 

[DIAL]Doc

usualy we use Ventrillo so that we can just talk to everyone, even people who arn't on our team So we can tell them "nice shot" or laugh at them.

I use Voice mostly for tactical issues and it's always kind of bad if the 'enemy' is listening in (if you get what I mean ) that's why I'm usually not too fond of using Ventrilo, but I guess that's a preferance issue

 

I see how it can be fun to laugth and chat, but I usually just resort to tpying for this. Nothing beats an LOL after you crashed you plane in some oppents plane and both go lol

 

[DIAL]Doc

Good comments on the strategty Torch, I have some counterpoints to add.

 

Being really good at one class is good and all, but it doesn't hurt to have a secondary class you are decent with to fall back too if the situation warrents it. My favorite class is a good example. I'm primary a support man who really shines on city maps with alot of close knit teammates. City maps force more infantry action which let's me use the firepower of my PKM, and close knit teammates allow me to do what I do best... keep friends in ammo. However, maps that are more spread out favor armor and vehicles more... so unless there's an AT or Spec Ops guy I can follow around and keep fed with ammo, I'll switch to AT or Medic myself so I feel like I'm doing useful for the team.

 

Firing in short, controlled, bursts works great for up to medium range. But if you get to extreme ranges, you're going to have to switch to single shot if you want a chance in hell to hit your target.

 

Knowing the maps, hell yah, that's a big key. Learning where the hiding places are, where the gun emplacements are, ect gives you an edge. A helicopter pilot who knows where all the stinger sites are can make sure he lines up his shots to take them out first or where to dip behind obstacles to keep him safe.

 

Another thought... see if you can find a vehicle your team can work with well. All players in vehicle get points as the gunners make kills. Therefore, a team that can keep the vehicle running will rack up the points together.

 

This game has given me some wonderful memories of great teamwork. One of my best TAC memories was when Lagalot, Sharp, myself, and a couple others were working together toward a point. We only have one vehicle, a M1 Abrams. We were having trouble approaching the command point we wanted due to a sniper. Remembering a couple Russian missions in "Call of Duty : United Offensive", I suggested we all walk BEHIND the tank, shielding us from the sniper. Worked like a charm, we got halfway across the open field this way. The tank driver (Lagalot, I think?) piped up he had 2 or 3 infantry jumping into the trees to the left of him, one of which was an AT. The rest of us guys sprinted from behind the tank into the trees and owned the guys fixing to take out our tank... Man.. the symbiosis between our tanker and his infantry support was awesome!

 

Then there was this fenceline I was trying to help hold. We had two AT folks firing rockets thru this gap at a pair of APC's in the water on the other side.... they must of had an engie going because the bastards just wouldn't die. However, our 2 AT guys had myself as support and a medic backing them up. Medpacks, ammo bags, and spent rocket launchers littered the ground as APC fire exploded around us... man it was a rush. We all died multiple times, but we held the command point and eventually killed the APC's

Youre point about the secondary class to fall back on is definetly valid especially if your primary is a class that is good for long or short range. I guess my point was more just try to get really good at one thing rather than decently ok at everything. Though I must say that someone who plays a lot of one class can be really good.

I agree witht eh one class, and partially agree with the multi classing. I am exclusively a medic, but i tried out spec ops this weekend. It was a nice change but when i went to go back to medic, it was hard to get used to either not having c4 or not having a super accurate and powerful gun. After a couple days back at medic i am back up to speed. There are pros and cons for both, but I would say until you get really good at a class, don't try to multi-class.

Doc']I don't understand why you guys keep using Ventrilo? BF2 has a great in-game VoIP support (and I noticed it not working well with any other VoIP software running in the background e.g. conflicting and thus not working)

 

The ability to have two channels one for your squad and one to your commander is one of the really great things you get as a squad leader and I enjoy any moment of it when I have a commander I can ask for supplies and more detail on assigments etc.

 

Well just wanted to throw that in

 

[DIAL]Doc

Doc, I have not heard one sound on the VOIP in game yet.

 

Can you believe that?

 

Sometimes I say can anybody hear me and never an answer.

 

isn't that dumb that is a huge part of gameplay.

 

And, I have been to a variety of servers ( good and bad).

thats the same reason you gave for not getting on vent for firearms. i think you're just plain nuts. ventrillo is a great great program ::hint doc should get on more and play mods with us:: that helps alot. mics in game SUCK

-G

Hm Klink there are a few things you can check...

 

1st (but I'm sure you noticed that) make sure the server supports VoIP (needs the little head phones in the browser list)

 

2nd VoIP is not a team speak funciton, it's only to your squad, so if you're not in a squad nobody will hear you

 

3rd There are two channels one is shows just a little speaker icon under the map when you press the assigned button. That's the squad channel. The other is a speaker with a little star next to it. That's the com. channel where you can only talk to the comander (if one is present) and I think the other Squad leaders can hear you too (not 100% sure)

btw. if you don't see these Icons at all check that your VoIP is turned on (in audio options) and that you have keys binded to 'Talk/say to...' and 'Com. channel'

 

4th make sure you don't have any other VoIP software running (I had issues and then BF2 just turns off VoPI)

 

5th if you have a firewall check the BF2 manual for what ports need to be opend and setup so that everything works

 

6th (not 100% sure on that one) but one friend had no VoIP until he switched his sound settings from Software mode to Hardware (and after playing and getting all messy sounds switching it back) and since then has VoIP working...

 

So I hope this helped. The game is soooo much better with VoIP enabled and allows for even better team work.

[DIAL]Doc

I've had mine enabled from the start. I play exclusively in squads, both as a member and leader and I think Ive heard people talking maybe 3 times.

 

One was in German so that didnt accomplish anything. One was a little kid that was commander and who had one of the most annoying voices Ive heard in a while and was just talking about how his artillery strikes were leet. And the last was a squad member who was actually productive in his talking. So one of three actually being helpful, ya... Im not sold on the VoIP in games yet. Teamspeak is a godsend.

vent>ts i hate ahte hate ahte hate ahte teamspeak its horrible.

voip is useful sometimes but it really doesnt matter to me since i just talk through ventrillo

G I'm nuts but I still disagree with you

 

The VoIP of BF2 is good quality (sure not the same as Ventrilo) but it dose the trick and (as said before) the option of having two channels is a big plus. As well as not having the enemy listening in on your plans is a big reason for me not to use Ventrilo...

...it has nothing to do with the program just these reasons. As for FA (and most likely BF2) it really didn't like Ventrilo thus another reason not to use it, since the ingame VoIP work well (for me)

 

To Torch you should join my squad trust me no stupid talk there (unless I'm in the mood for it ) but most people I played so far did use it in good ways and had no real issues finding anyoing or stupid people on the voice channel. Maybe because it's squad only

 

To DisposableHero I'm not sure why you go off on Teamspeak I wasn't talking about any product in particular only pointing out that BF2 has an integrated VoIP that works well. And all these products are basically VoIP

 

Peace out,

[DIAL]Doc

torch said teamspeak was a godsend, but ventrillo is much better

get on ventrillo to hang and talk with friends. you STILL have the ingame, though how low quality it is, to talk with your squad.

 

-G

Having Ventrilo and VOIP is even a bigger plus. Especially when your commander is on Ventrilo with you.

 

Howz bout that Doc?

 

No need to switch channels. Plus I can further define my squad by saying to my mates in ventrilo with certain tactics and then give the Non-TAC other commands over VOIP.

 

And on another note

 

SINGLE SHOT RULES!!!!!!!

 

I have two Attack Helecopter take downs with my G3 on single shot.

Having Ventrilo and VOIP is even a bigger plus. Especially when your commander is on Ventrilo with you.

 

Howz bout that Doc?

 

No need to switch channels. Plus I can further define my squad by saying to my mates in ventrilo with certain tactics and then give the Non-TAC other commands over VOIP.

 

And on another note

 

SINGLE SHOT RULES!!!!!!!

 

I have two Attack Helecopter take downs with my G3 on single shot.

because you were the last person to shoot it before it crashed or blew upkilling choppers with small arms just doesnt work like vietnam

Having Ventrilo and VOIP is even a bigger plus. Especially when your commander is on Ventrilo with you.

 

Howz bout that Doc?

 

No need to switch channels. Plus I can further define my squad by saying to my mates in ventrilo with certain tactics and then give the Non-TAC other commands over VOIP.

I don't see the point in needing two tools that do the same thing at the same time (but that's just me ) I can talk perfectly well with my comander using only BF2s VoIP as well as with all my Squad members.

 

As for the past I had always problems running FA and Ventrilo at the same time, same for BF2. Always one would work but not both

 

But again I don't really see a need for Ventrilo in FA or BF2 (I used to use Ventrilo in JO a lot ask State Cop or others that played it) and that's just me...

 

...so if you can run both and it works cool

 

I can only run one and will use the in-game one since it give me the ability to work with any player on the server

 

To G sure to chat for some fun in Ventrilo is ok and I don't mind, but when I go play BF2 or FA it's not for chatting (ok sometimes we get carried away god-cow and sharp know what I mean ) but usually it's to organize the team and get your side the victory.

 

So see you all on the Battlefields,

 

[DIAL]Doc

I have been fairly lucky with the VOIP system in game. I too am not big on using software outside of game to chat with people since its more memory my machine has to dish out. Plus, i really like the system built in to BF2. It tells you who is talking and it is already split into channels.

At least once a night bouncing from server to server I find a really good group of guys that use the VOIP to organize and execute tactics.

I do agree though that being able to talk to both sides would be fun too.

I would much rather havet he option to switch from public to squad chat. I guess I can use VOIP for my squad and text for global.

Ahh, the lovely battles of Vent vs TS. That's been going on for ages. THC just uses TS and that's what Im used to so thats why I said it was a godsend. Ive used vent in the past and liked em both fairly well.

However any outside program is better than the built in VoIP because you have the ability to talk to people that may not be playing with you and also to give the information of where youre playing to other people on the voice chat.

Plus you can get rid of anyone who is getting annoying. I've probably just ahd bad luck in my VoIP in the game, but it just seems so restricting to me when you can run TS/Vent in the background with a lot more control. Plus I've know the guys I play with for a couple years now so we talk about things other than games which makes it a lot more interesting.

N0 I did not get the last rounds in.

 

I wasted 3 clips into him as he was capping the flag. All ****pit shots. 1 rocket hit him in the process.

 

Try it. Full auto will not do squat but single at least registers.