September 12, 200718 yr Bad BAD news on OIL Prices and GAS he government expects gas prices to rise to $110 per 1,000 cubic meters by 2011 from the current $45. But prices could climb up to $180, Gyetvay said at the Reuters Russia Investment Summit. This could be the end driving better get your Bikes Ready:eek:
September 12, 200718 yr Author Bad BAD news on OIL Prices and GAS he government expects gas prices to rise to $110 per 1,000 cubic meters by 2011 from the current $45. But prices could climb up to $180, Gyetvay said at the Reuters Russia Investment Summit. This could be the end driving better get your Bikes Ready:eek:
September 12, 200718 yr Doubtful, really. Who knows? There are several "alternative energy sources" already available in some form or another, but none have been as cost effective as oil, so far. If the price of oil/gas goes up that high, then the other sources/methods will finally be more attractive to the companies developing them.
September 12, 200718 yr Doubtful, really. Who knows? There are several "alternative energy sources" already available in some form or another, but none have been as cost effective as oil, so far. If the price of oil/gas goes up that high, then the other sources/methods will finally be more attractive to the companies developing them.
September 12, 200718 yr Who knows? There are several "alternative energy sources" already available in some form or another, but none have been as cost effective as oil, so far. If the price of oil/gas goes up that high, then the other sources/methods will finally be more attractive to the companies developing them. there already are other alternative ways the gas and oil comps have had them for years sitting on selfs just waiting for the time to market them.We could already be transferring to newer methods that could last longer and less pollution and ...you guessed it, CHEAPER.
September 12, 200718 yr Who knows? There are several "alternative energy sources" already available in some form or another, but none have been as cost effective as oil, so far. If the price of oil/gas goes up that high, then the other sources/methods will finally be more attractive to the companies developing them. there already are other alternative ways the gas and oil comps have had them for years sitting on selfs just waiting for the time to market them.We could already be transferring to newer methods that could last longer and less pollution and ...you guessed it, CHEAPER.
September 12, 200718 yr there already are other alternative ways the gas and oil comps have had them for years sitting on selfs just waiting for the time to market them.We could already be transferring to newer methods that could last longer and less pollution and ...you guessed it, CHEAPER. That's what I said.
September 12, 200718 yr there already are other alternative ways the gas and oil comps have had them for years sitting on selfs just waiting for the time to market them.We could already be transferring to newer methods that could last longer and less pollution and ...you guessed it, CHEAPER. That's what I said.
September 12, 200718 yr Yup... like those electrical cars that you plugged into an outlet to recharge them... they mysteriously all disappeared after a few months... What really happened with those is that the makers of the car told the people that there was a defect in the car and that it had to be brought in. Then they were all shipped off to a junkyard and destroyed... We already have good alternatives, and we need to start gradually implementing them, to ease the economy off of oil.
September 12, 200718 yr Yup... like those electrical cars that you plugged into an outlet to recharge them... they mysteriously all disappeared after a few months... What really happened with those is that the makers of the car told the people that there was a defect in the car and that it had to be brought in. Then they were all shipped off to a junkyard and destroyed... We already have good alternatives, and we need to start gradually implementing them, to ease the economy off of oil.
September 12, 200718 yr All the oil companies at this point only care about money and yes its true that they do have alternative ways they could be marketing by now but its all about the almighty dollar to them. All they're gonna do is milk this cow till its dead. Thats just my opinion
September 12, 200718 yr All the oil companies at this point only care about money and yes its true that they do have alternative ways they could be marketing by now but its all about the almighty dollar to them. All they're gonna do is milk this cow till its dead. Thats just my opinion
September 12, 200718 yr I hate this subject. If I have one more politician talk about how ethanol is the future of fuel for vehicles, I'm gonna go postal. Corn ethanol might be easy to create, but it's currently more expensive to make than gasoline. Ethanol producers are already asking the government to subsidize ethanol to make it more affordable (which means higher taxes). Corn prices get higher which causes beef and poultry prices to go higher. Yes, bi-products from ethanol production can be used to feed cattle, but the bi-products can have a high sulfur content. High sulfur causes polio in cattle, so now you have to vaccinate a large amount of cattle for polio. Ethanol can be made from wood chips or switchgrass, but using them is even harder and takes longer which makes them even more expensive. Then you have the fact that ethanol does not have the same amount of energy as gasoline, thus you have to burn more ethanol to get the same performance as gasoline. That's why they mix it with gasoline (E85 is 85% ethanol/15% gasoline), so the performance drop isn't as extreme. Ethanol also breaks down faster than gasoline, so it cannot be transported via pipelines and has to be trucked everywhere. So how is it going to solve our energy problems AND slow down the creation of greenhouse gases? It might be able to do one or the other but not both, and probably won't be that much cheaper than gasoline (currently E85 is, on average, $0.42 cheaper than gasoline in the US). Right now I have to think that biodiesel is the way to go. It can be made from used or new cooking oil, reduces carbon monoxide emissions and releases fewer particulates into the atmosphere. Diesel and biodiesel already get better mileage and have better power output than gasoline or ethanol. There are articles all over the news and the internet about families making their own biodiesel from used cooking oil they get for free from local restaurants (or by turning a <2% portion of their total farmland to canola plants for canola oil). They then use this biodiesel in their daily vehicles and the tractors and combines used to harvest. One family has even started using biodiesel to heat the water for their house. Ok, I'm done with my rant. Needed to get that out. Thank you.
September 12, 200718 yr I hate this subject. If I have one more politician talk about how ethanol is the future of fuel for vehicles, I'm gonna go postal. Corn ethanol might be easy to create, but it's currently more expensive to make than gasoline. Ethanol producers are already asking the government to subsidize ethanol to make it more affordable (which means higher taxes). Corn prices get higher which causes beef and poultry prices to go higher. Yes, bi-products from ethanol production can be used to feed cattle, but the bi-products can have a high sulfur content. High sulfur causes polio in cattle, so now you have to vaccinate a large amount of cattle for polio. Ethanol can be made from wood chips or switchgrass, but using them is even harder and takes longer which makes them even more expensive. Then you have the fact that ethanol does not have the same amount of energy as gasoline, thus you have to burn more ethanol to get the same performance as gasoline. That's why they mix it with gasoline (E85 is 85% ethanol/15% gasoline), so the performance drop isn't as extreme. Ethanol also breaks down faster than gasoline, so it cannot be transported via pipelines and has to be trucked everywhere. So how is it going to solve our energy problems AND slow down the creation of greenhouse gases? It might be able to do one or the other but not both, and probably won't be that much cheaper than gasoline (currently E85 is, on average, $0.42 cheaper than gasoline in the US). Right now I have to think that biodiesel is the way to go. It can be made from used or new cooking oil, reduces carbon monoxide emissions and releases fewer particulates into the atmosphere. Diesel and biodiesel already get better mileage and have better power output than gasoline or ethanol. There are articles all over the news and the internet about families making their own biodiesel from used cooking oil they get for free from local restaurants (or by turning a <2% portion of their total farmland to canola plants for canola oil). They then use this biodiesel in their daily vehicles and the tractors and combines used to harvest. One family has even started using biodiesel to heat the water for their house. Ok, I'm done with my rant. Needed to get that out. Thank you.
September 12, 200718 yr Fun/educational game on the subject -- takes like 10 minutes to play. http://willyoujoinus.com/ I got 660,814,885 points... Hyrdogen is apparently big around 2030
September 12, 200718 yr Fun/educational game on the subject -- takes like 10 minutes to play. http://willyoujoinus.com/ I got 660,814,885 points... Hyrdogen is apparently big around 2030
September 12, 200718 yr thats y when ur looking for a new car remember 1 thing save green go yellow. buy an e-85 hybrid it maybe less mpg but its cheaper on gas and cleaner to plus it supports my state
September 12, 200718 yr thats y when ur looking for a new car remember 1 thing save green go yellow. buy an e-85 hybrid it maybe less mpg but its cheaper on gas and cleaner to plus it supports my state
September 12, 200718 yr well looks like ill have to go out and buy a mule and carrage, if the gas prices keep climbing lol:D
September 12, 200718 yr well looks like ill have to go out and buy a mule and carrage, if the gas prices keep climbing lol:D
September 13, 200718 yr Hydrogen is getting close to full on production...but Americans will greatly miss Gas powered internal combustion engines.
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