-SkYnEt- Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Everyday at least once, cheating ruins a game or two, or three, or four. I wanna know how do you feel about these people that insist on using OGC hook to save their butt. I've seen cheaters from the earliest game Quake 1 with the Pak2 cheat. Cheats weren't really elaborate back then, usually the models would have sticks on four parts of his body so you could tell if someone was behind a wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klif Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 i think it's silly to ask opinions about cheaters! I also think it's silly to assume you meet a cheater four times per game! I'd be willing to bet a lot of the "cheaters" most people call out are actually just better than them.I see cheaters as another challenge. "This guy has a wallhack and an Aimbot. How can I still kill him everytime?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enders Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 I'd be willing to bet a lot of the "cheaters" most people call out are actually just better than them true, I daresay skynet that you're seeing cheaters every single day. I play Counter-Strike probaly everyday on the same server and the last time I saw a cheater was...well...never and it's the same with Firearms. I don't think I've ever seen a cheater on the TA server. In most cases, even I bleet out 'CHEATER' only to discover that the person I called cheater on wasn't one. He was just good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SkYnEt- Posted November 30, 2003 Author Share Posted November 30, 2003 Yes I agree.. Like lately I've noticed "suspicious activity" on the DW/TA Server, and totally thought it'd be an interesting challenge. At the same though I think it's an unfair aspect that most people resort to. It's almost like playing against a computer. Infact the computer is practically doing the gaming for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E_NORM_US_1 Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 :roll: I can't believe this :roll: I agree with Klif on this :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catdady Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 well ,my opinion is clearly a lifetime ban for caught cheaters!!!the problem ,catching them!!!kingpin told me cd works great cause i doubt it before.STILL i find it really strange that certain players are able to survive 25 bullets of uzi in back of head ,turn around shoot or spray in any direction and im dead!!!!!wel i guess i just have to accept that fact!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMagic Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Problem is we don't know that much about hacks as we think we do. We don't knw behaviors to look at for, and trust me there are hacks that can work through C-D. But there aren't pretty little multi hacks. the only thing that bothers me about it is when a comparatively skilled player resorts to e.g. aimbot to take you down. 1 press of the mouse button (e.,g. bound to mouse3) and bam even with uber reflexes and excellent aim its hard to beat a machine/program. with cd on server it does cut down the frequency though. but yes there are certain behaviours to look for that arent hard to spot But there aren't pretty little multi hacks. what do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilCarson Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 What to do with cheaters? They must be shot, drowned, drived over with truck and hanged from the tree. And that's not even nearly enough to them, don't you agree? :mrgreen: I'd be willing to bet a lot of the "cheaters" most people call out are actually just better than them. Well, if the same guy kills me 5 times in a row in a same situation- frantic cqc duel after both of us have fired tens of bullets or I am killed several times by the same sniper whos location I am unable to determine - they are definetely better than me. But when someone is able to get 10 headshots one after another with famas over whole map - excuse me! And yesterday on TA test server someone with name Freshmeat has score 47/9. If someone is so good, why he is not proudly wearing his own nick and clan tag? This looks slightly suspicious to me. Maybe CD is not catching all cheats, but I think it still can hold the 90% of cheaters away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enders Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 And yesterday on TA test server someone with name Freshmeat has score 47/9. If someone is so good, why he is not proudly wearing his own nick and clan tag? This looks slightly suspicious to me. 1)Not everyone is in a clan 2)People like to just leave their name as Freshmeat, or whatever... 3)He could've been a sniper. I've seen people get 80/2, but since they had found a good spot and taken out everyone before they were seen, they got this score easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilCarson Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 -UnwantedHero"] Agree, not everyone is in clan, but how many "Freshmeats" have you seen playing? And this guy was not a sniper, he used m16 even rushed. One shot - one kill. Actually I can be just paranoid. But I have never seen this kind of scores with CD running . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klif Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Yes I agree.. maybe you should read my post again? You say you agree, but you seem to highlight once again the fact that you meet cheaters 4 times per game, an incorrect statement, by what I had just said!If someone is so good, why he is not proudly wearing his own nick and clan tag? a lot, a WHOLE lot, of the top clanners don't wear their real name in pubs. I (although not AS good as them) rarely wear my clan tag in pubs, myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I have to aggree with kilf too. I'm relativly new to playing online, so i couldn't spot cheaters if my life depended upon it however, chearters don't nessarly ruin a game they give you some thing to aim for, to better than them with out using cheats, hacks, ect... I'm NOT defending them and if caught they should be banned. :!: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadRoach Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 I played many years trying to keep up with peaple with better pings than me. Then, I finally even the playing field up by getting broadband myself, only to get owned by the occasional cheater.Thankfully, they are very rare. There's a good reason for this... most hacks are extremely hard to install. Cheaters as a rule are lazy peaple, so very few peaple with the inclination to cheat actually succede in installing hacks.I hate cheats and cheaters in the MP world with more raging anger than you can imagine. It's one thing to cheat in a single player game, the only person affected is yourself. But when you cheat in a game like Firearms, you are affecting the gameplay of the peaple around you. Sure, you may be helping your team, but quite frankly, I'd rather lose honestly than win because I had a cheater on my team.Cheaters are no better than grief players who go out of their way to ruin your good time in my book. They bring out this need in me to reach thru the computer and grab them by the manhood and pull it up over their head! Which is another reason, at the moment, I'm not playing MP games at the moment.... I've had my fill of grief players for the time being.Cheaters... hate them... wish they'd all be dragged into the street and shot.Recognising them isn't as hard as you think, if you know what to look for. Most of it requires being able to watch the player from the first person view. If your playing CS and the player's view seems to jump all over while they are firing at somebody, you're looking at a recoil hack. If their crosshairs jump to somebodies head without overshooting the head even a pixel, that's an aimbot with a headshot script. (Some aimbots have a script that allows the crosshair to overshoot or not snap to a head so fast, this makes it a bit harder to spot) If a guy seems to look at blank walls for no reason on a regular basis, and occasionally shoots at peaple on the other side of said wall, that's probably a wallhacker, or even possibly somebody using "spiked" models.CD does quite a bit to stop most of this. It senses keyboard input vs what get's sent to the server client side, and if there's any differences between the two, than it immediatly disconnects you from the server. Most anti-cheats did this, but were unable to stop wallhackers as wallhackers just make a change in their OpenGL drivers that cause walls to appear as wireframe, something that couldn't be caught. CD get's around this by causing models of players you are not supposed to be able to see by moving the unseen players BEHIND you client side, thus rendering wallhacks useless. This doesn't affect the server because the server still registers players in their proper positions.CD itself does get hacked, thus the reason it gets updated regularly.How do I know this? Well, I used to get accused of hacking back in CS Beta days, so I know it sucks to be accused of it when you don't do it. I figured I wasn't gonna make any accusations myself unless I knew what to look for, so I did some homework. Yes, this did include trying to install some CS hacks, but I never was able to get any of them to work. Like I said, I figured I had no right to accuse anybody unless I knew what to look for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frost Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Yes I agree.. Like lately I've noticed "suspicious activity" on the DW/TA Server, and totally thought it'd be an interesting challenge. At the same though I think it's an unfair aspect that most people resort to. It's almost like playing against a computer. Infact the computer is practically doing the gaming for you. Why do I have a feeling this is about "Deoxyribonucleic Acid" .... *cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SkYnEt- Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 I can't seem to stop thinking about DNA too. C-D is on now so i don't think cheating will be a big problem on TA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frost Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 I can't seem to stop thinking about DNA too. C-D is on now so i don't think cheating will be a big problem on TA. *coughI'mDNAandI'mbannedfromtheTA/DWserverbecauseIwasbannedontheoriginalTAserver*cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Ok...This is my theory on the whole thing...Yes H4XORS do perturb you in a sence that they always PWN YOU...instead of you pwing them...I agree 100% with that..but the fact is...if a person is h4xing on TA server you will never know about it....unless they're caught by TA admin or they have a prog that is detected by CD...Im NOT a h4xer and I have pitty on anoyone who uses a hack to promote their name and/or skilll....so whats the use of worrying about...FA is a game..if an occasional h4xer ruins your entire day...You need a Girlfriend...[DoL]-General Reed -]Int.[- 8)-please excuse my sig..I am active DoL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMagic Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 technically cd doesnt detect anything. cd basically sucks tbh i much prefer HLG active detections. It was amazing how many 'false positives' there was when clanners were caught by it though hehehe. and I have pitty on anoyone who uses a hack to promote their name and/or skilll.... is that how you feel about ur ex-clanm8 SnOw...ooops i mean SnOwcrash of course not SnOw as they are different ppl hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SkYnEt- Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 Someone tell me what happened to SnOwCrAsH? Was he caught cheating?By the way, Cheating-Death does work! I even tested it a couple times. I created a server with it running, and used one of those progs from Planet Mayhem, Cheating-Death works, and by the way very well... That's why I play at TA. Hardly any cheats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klif Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 technically cd doesnt detect anything. "technically", cheating-death DOES detect cheats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMagic Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 i mean 'active' detection though. Whats the point of detection if it doesnt log and report the program trying to gain access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadRoach Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Actually, CD was purposely made to just kick you from the server without reporting it for a noble reason. There are the occasional programs that could be mistaken as an illegle hack. When I played NS on a certain server back in the WON days, I occasionally get the "you have modifactions to your system" error that clears itself out when I restart. It would totally suck if the server logged me as a cheater when I haven't done a damn thing.On many many occasions, players are accused falsely by programs, and for this reason, CD is designed to just "keep you from playing" instead of pointing the finger. Nobody knows why you were kicked. I'm sure many of you disagree with this, as you are like me and like to know who the cheaters are so they can be properly lynched. However, having been falsely accused and kicked off too many CS servers, I prefer this approach.It's my understanding, back when I did my original research, that most hacks cannot be started up AFTER the game starts. Therefore a passive system like CD will work for most hacks of this type until CD itself is hacked. An active system would indeed be more efficiant at catching cheaters, I'll grant you that. But CD works for the Majority of them.At anyrate, it's way better than Punkbuster was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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