I think Oberland should be taken off the rotation and here are my reasons why. Almost everytime the map comes up, many players ask for a map change. So I must not be the only one who doesn't like it. It turns into a claymore frenzy. Everytime you turn a corner you get blown to bits by a clay. I like the look of the map and the cool breath you can see from the players mouths but that's about it. Not only are claymores given out when you spawn but they are also in that room with the stage and the music. It's not even fun when claymores are absolutely everywhere and I'm the biggest claymore whore there is. And we are supposed to use these clays to blow up crates? Ya, right. What incentive do we have to use the clays for the crates? Players receive no points for blowing crates. I'm sure we might get reinforcements or something but most players destroy objects because we get points. I would rather use that claymore to get a kill rather than use it on the crates and I know I'm not the only one. They should have made it like in Durandal or Force where you just have to shoot the crates and it gives you a few points. Or better yet, have it like in Bocage where you have to set a timer without having to use a claymore. I don't think any map should give out free claymores. Why couldn't the mappers of Balcome and Willow used the timer method like Bocage has? That way you don't give out free claymores that most players don't use for there intended purpose. I think the blue team on Willow has an advantage because they get free clays and the red team doesn't. Anyway, I can deal with those other maps I guess but Oberland is just a claymore spamfest and is getting old real fast.

Oberland is okay. I much prefer Force.

Oberland is fine, but I don't like the fact that it crashes half the time and then we end up in iwo jima.

i really like the music in oberland

The music owns you.

i dont like oberland, it is a clay-fest. Especially in such close and DARK confines

It'd be better if it wasn't so dark. Maybe it should take place at early morning so that there's more light.

no way man it s great map!!

The map itself is cool but it would be so much better without all the damn free claymores. Why do these mappers insist on giving out free clays to blow up objectives? Most players don't even use them for there intended purpose. Why couldn't they have made it like Durandal or Force where you just shoot the crates? I would much prefer a system like Bocage where you have to set the timer for the explosives. Didn't this mapper of Oberland realize that it would just turn into a big claymore frenzy? Don't get me wrong, I love claymores but on normal maps I use 4 credits every life to get my claymore kills. When they are free and everyone has a clay it just gets to out of control. Seems like the majority of players hang around that room with the music so they can get the free clays and wait for the other team to come in there to blow them up. If there wern't so many claymores I would probably love the map.

I definately agree with you Gudge, there's no need for claymores, it SHOULD be like Force or Durandal like you said. The map has way too many small and thin and windy halls and such that it's impossible to see claymores. turn a corner and boom you're dead.

ya...there is no need for em...but besides that Oberland is a fun mapthe only point you made was that they pass out clays...so...not everyone (like myself) takes the clays...and there's only two or three areas where the clays are actully good...besides there...they are easily avoided

Gotta agree with gud on this one....dont much care for the map or the fact it would be possible (if they dodnt blow up) to walk from one end of the level to the other on the clays that seem to be everywhere and never touch the ground. :roll:

-Sterling Morrison]It'd be better if it wasn't so dark. Maybe it should take place at early morning so that there's more light.

DARK!?!?! :evil: Get rid of OBJ_WILLOW thats dark! :x

I cant see the gun in front of my face on that map.

DARK!?!?! :evil: Get rid of OBJ_WILLOW thats dark! :xlol williow is the the best map!! its so much cooler in the night!! before it was the worst on my list now its my fav list it a great map..back to oberland i agree with u gud there

I thought Willow was going to be really dark, but it's not dark really at all. You can see really clearly. Maybe your gamma is too low.... or mine is too high ? :?

i agree wif Geonator Oberland should be remove from the rotation several reason. Camping Festival & Who Plant The Most ClayMore Contest.

yeah i dont like oberland it plays horribly and you allways get boxed in some where and cant do anything

whats IMO? immediatly?

in my opinion