Hey peanut I like your AV the guy from wolfenstien lol. Old old old school.

lol great game.

rofl ripper tehy are NOT accurate... it is now almost impossible to shoot someone and hit them unless they are SUB TEN FEET (thast below 10ft for anyone wondering)

rofl ripper tehy are NOT accurate... it is now almost impossible to shoot someone and hit them unless they are SUB TEN FEET (thast below 10ft for anyone wondering)

Hey...

 

I never said they're accurate.

 

peanut said that.

rofl ripper tehy are NOT accurate... it is now almost impossible to shoot someone and hit them unless they are SUB TEN FEET (thast below 10ft for anyone wondering)

Shotty, never in my whole FA experience have I been killed so many times with a shotgun as today only.

 

Yes, those things are overpowered, 1 (unlucky) shot equals at least 80-95 damage, the regular ones just kill.

 

Yes, those things are too accurate, they beat the G3A3 and G36, hell they probably beat sniper rifles. A guy killed me with one shot from the log on river, while I was not closer to him than the ammobox below, on blue side. And I was behind my teammate. Not to mention I had not less than 60 hp at that time. Even the guy was surprised. And I could come up with more examples. Well, the best example is I'm being seriously OWNED by my clanmate BountyHunter now, since he uses the Saiga mostly.

 

I hope they fix those shottys. Anyone who thinks they are OK now, please answer this question - why doesn't any army in the world use shotguns for assault purposes? (Maybe except the Salvation Army, ) The answer lies in their innacuracy and extreme weakness over longer range. Unlike in 2.9. *sigh*

 

Peace.

 

Bane

Well if you hear a shotgun sound then be prepared that it might be around the corner so watch out . . . run back and then when you see him/her coming . . . M79 them. :wink: Problem solved. 8)

uh shotty, u killed me from far away several times with the saiga.It is unfair, 90% of FA is within 15 feet so it aint balanced...

OK OK shottys problem wasent that they were to good long range they just ignored armor because next time you die from a shotty whatch your armour

well i just want to say, let someone shoot at you with real life shotgun from say 30ft away and i bet you have a bit of a problem. now let someone shoot you, real life now, from 10ft way and i bet you don't get up. this to my understanding is suposed to be a real life simulator involving real life cinerios. one shot one kill, get over it.

Actually, Punisher brought up a point I was going to say. With the exception of a few maps like Durandel and Marie, most of the maps we run into involve ALOT of CQ combat. And for this reason, the shotties are ruling supreme because the terrain allow most combat to occur at close quarters.I've noticed since the small patch that it's gotten harder to get kills with my Saiga, but it's too early for me to say if they're still overpowered or not.I have a suggestion guys, let the game play itself out for the next couple weeks then form an opinion. New strategems shall evolve then we'll see what needs fixing.On a side note, I can't do jack with my Sterling anymore, and I'm pissed about that.

-B'a'n'e] (extract) And I could come up with more examples. Well, the best example is I'm being seriously OWNED by my clanmate BountyHunter now, since he uses the Saiga mostly.

 

Bane

Ha, I knew I'd be mentioned here!!!!

1. I played with saiga mostly before the release of 2.9 (used it primarly on iwojima, force, upham and rubble- isn't it the important part of FA maps?). Heck, I used to be no. 1 at the saiga ranks once... Maybe it's just a 'skill'? :wink: dunno.

 

2. I've never liked famas (as a non-american-and-a-little-bit-french-speaking-guy-admiring-french-vines i've never had problems with acceptance this gun as a French weapon) and rather tried not to use it. So I agree with viperkennedy and shotty that the whiners are famas lovers (BTW: they- famas players- still have some advantages: more rounds in the clip, faster rof, better range...).

 

Side note: I think introducing m4 was a try to put an AMERICAN weapon that could be comparable with FAMAS. IMO its rof is a little bit exagerrated... But do I whine about it? it's ok. Even better, it's fun with the silencer

 

3. I OWN U B'A'N'E?!!! plz, check out my scores: http://www.thearmory.cc/index.php?module=PostWrap&page=http://67.18.3.226/fa_stats/index.php. U're no. 9 on the wictim lineup list and I killed u 5 times while u got me 11. LOL! Is that an ownage?!!!

 

meet u all on the battlefield,

 

greetings,

 

BH

balanced? let me shoot you with one, tell me if one shot kills.... sniping... hes got slugs in there... in delaware you cannot hunt dear with rifles... so shotguns and slugs are used a lot. yes you can snip with them. =]

heck, if you cant beat the shotgun break out the m16 or famas and go rambo on them! I have taken out every shotgun rusher that has come at using an m16 on burst. 100% effective....

heck, if you cant beat the shotgun break out the m16 or famas and go rambo on them! I have taken out every shotgun rusher that has come at using an m16 on burst. 100% effective....

I totally with that one. In fact, m16 owns on most of the maps.

can someone tell me how to put a pic by my signature

most of the maps we run into involve ALOT of CQ combat. And for this reason, the shotties are ruling supreme because the terrain allow most combat to occur at close quarters.

There's a reason for this, the HL engine doesn't support large open spaces well, and any of my fellow mappers out there will know it can be difficult to make large open areas on a map without the r_speeds shooting through the roof. (I'm not saying thats a bad point, I'm saying it's a very good point since the issue of CQB maps isnt gonna go away for HL based games) Back on the gaming topic...

 

--->Fresh_Clean_Name]this to my understanding is suposed to be a real life simulator involving real life cinerios.

(spelled Scenarios, btw )

FA is not supposed to be a real life simulator. It is supposed to be a fair, fun, balanced game. Even so, it's still unreasonable that shotguns should be the pwning machines which they are in 2.9. Modern warfare takes place very much in CQB, but you dont see major military forces issuing shotguns instead of rifles.

 

But even if they won't change the shotties gameplay wise, thats fine with me, just make them more expensive.

Alright, a few of us did some shotty testing. From close range the 870 kills one hit anywhere (including legs or arms.) To me, that is unfair. Some people say it is just being realistic. Heres a response to that: The m82 is a light ANTI-TANK rifle. It can punch holes in APCs, yet it takes 2 shots to kill if you hit them in the chest.....The saiga is alright, it doesnt do even near as much damage as the remmy does. And saying just shoot em from far away....sometimes that is harder said than done if they come up behind or if there is a lot of cover or lots of other things.Just puttin in my opinion.Oh, and Bountyhunter....I never use the famas.... definately dont love it, but I whine anyways. ~Grits :shock:

i distinctly remember someone saying "if its in the game". now, lets all stop whining, use our heads, and USE LONG RANGE vs shottys.... If you tank them you WILL die regardless fo what armour you wear..

 

The m82 is a light ANTI-TANK rifle

wrong, the m82 is an ANTI MATERIAL rifle. it is used for a veriaty of purposes, and LR sniping vs humans is one of them...

Right, what I was saying about the m82 is that it has the ability to punch through light vehicles. It tears large holes through people. Some people are saying the shotty is realistic now as a defense, so I countered with the m82 should kill in 1 hit, too if the shotty does.And then all the guns have to be powered up....

well i am at my teather with people whining about the shotty. No-one ever moaned about the famas that was so blatantly overpowered during 2.6, 2.65, 2.7, 2.8 no-one is saying ANYthing about the m16 kills in ONE BURST..consider this before you read any more or whine about the shotty.. the shotty fires 16 simultaneous bullets, in a spread pattern. Now people saying that you cant get "one shot kills" in RL.. ITS NOT A ONE SHOT KILL ITS A 16 SHOT KILL..if i ran up to anyone and emptied 16 rounds of ANY gun in the game into their face it will kill them.the fact of the matter is, no matter what armour you got on, 16shots from ANY gun will kill you, hell 5 shots from a deagle to the chest will kill anything in game, By the time i have shot, reloaded, and shot again most people have emptied half a clip[ into me, if you have any sense at all you will move, duck and dive, avoid my shots, it can be done, ask punisher, i CANNOT kill him with the shotty, or DocTerror, he takes me at least 4 shots with it.If you got killed by the newest version of the shotty, it is because you as a player have done something wrong.this thread is closed. - if you feel the need to say any more about things being "unbalanced" or "overpowered" then please do so in the FA forums bugs/suggestions section, they are far more apropriate to that section that in our general discussion area on the forums. (at very least present a calculated well thought out non-flamable arguement within the relavent suggestion, this for example should have been put into the Firearms section on the site)