Alright, a few of us did some shotty testing. From close range the 870 kills one hit anywhere (including legs or arms.) To me, that is unfair. Some people say it is just being realistic. Heres a response to that: The m82 is a light ANTI-TANK rifle. It can punch holes in APCs, yet it takes 2 shots to kill if you hit them in the chest.....The saiga is alright, it doesnt do even near as much damage as the remmy does. And saying just shoot em from far away....sometimes that is harder said than done if they come up behind or if there is a lot of cover or lots of other things.Just puttin in my opinion.Oh, and Bountyhunter....I never use the famas.... definately dont love it, but I whine anyways. ~Grits :shock: