So....on the river map people get up on the well and jump up onto the cliffdid the map maker intend that?

I'm not the map maker, but there's an obvious answer to your witty question.

I strongly agree player whu violate the new rule should be ban and quite for a few time. i saw a lamer prone outside the base and killed me repeatly i'm so (due to strong langue the following word has been censor)

people climb up onto the cliffs and jump onto the top of the buildings in mexico (the map..not the country)is that an exploit?I have some pics too proove

I am seeing a startling 180 on the Armory's policy on exploits. It used to be anything you could do, go for it, but now people are saying no exploits whatsoever? Strange...

I am seeing a startling 180 on the Armory's policy on exploits. It used to be anything you could do, go for it, but now people are saying no exploits whatsoever? Strange...

No, you are wrong Mr. Peanut.The Armory's policy has been, and always will be, that "if it came with the game you can use it" That refers to weapons and equipment. We strive to make the game as fair as possible for all players. Most of our server rules are already in-place with the exception of the climbing rule, which is still up for debate. We can't make all players happy all the time, but we will try to make as many happy as we can.

-UnwantedHero]people climb up onto the cliffs and jump onto the top of the buildings in mexico (the map..not the country)is that an exploit?I have some pics too proove

Ok, I think they are allowed to hop onto the rooves, but the problem arises when they all hide behind that cliff, but can still shoot through it.

Ok, here is how we fix all of this. Gator bestows me admin powers, and I become "Exploit Czar". When I see Klif enter the server, I ban him.

You don't like Klif do you Irr?

i have a question about one. on bocage you know how you can get over that fence thing with the help of someone. can i do that and like not climb on top of that thing so that im just on the other side and sniping? do they still let us do that? i didnt try it yet since 2.7 came out i think or did they fix it? dun dun dun

so the only exploit still under debate is the one about climbing?

I was playing Golan earlier today and was on the blue team. Almost eveytime I left our spawn and started up the hill, I got sniped. I kept trying to find this sniper. I went up the hill to left, up the hill to the right, up the hill to the middle, no sniper. I finally looked up on the cliffs to the right and I see a red dude running around up there. It's bad enough to get sniped when you just leave your spawn area but when the sniper is way up on the cliffs where you don't expect anybody to be, it sucks. I am so discusted with all of the exploiting of maps I can't see straight. Something needs to be done and soon.

LOL klif lol well said lad!!

Some exploits aren't that bad, but some are really bad. Like what Gudge said about the sniper on top of the cliff that he would never expect him to be, that's a pretty bad exploit....getting killed as you exit spawn. I think Gator is on the right track. Just continue to refine the rules as time goes by. You can implement a final draft of the rules before this week ends, and then test it out and see what rules need refining or whether you should add a rule to the list. The Constitution works the same way: laying down the basic rights and amendments, then adding more amendments to refine the Constitution and other amendments.

such happy and positive thoughts :?

Jedi fills the qouta someone has to think negative and it sure isn't gonna be me! he can be the serious pesimistic one :-).

-Klif]

kindly shove it. Your issues with me should not be taken into the public eye.I don't think anyone has ever shoved something kindly. And klif, I thought this was a joke with you, I haven't ever actually started attacking you, outside jokes, yelling at you via my monitor, or any other actual signs of my "issues with you". In short, I don't have any.

Ok... I'd like to hear a ruling on the water exploit issue. The water exploit is EXTREMELY easy to counter. I mean, am I right, or am I right? You chuck a nade in Durandal, or you spam the likely exploit spots in Bocage. You could drop and arty marker there even.

 

I was on bocage about 15 mins ago and peepz were being way anal about it. MY SCORE WAS ONLY 14-9! SUE ME! Then after someone finally got the brains to kill me before they tried to cap the bridge, they commented on it. =NDF= A Newbie, Wanky, The Red Army, and Irritant all told me that exploiting was now totally illegal. Irritant told me to "Check your clan's site". Well hear I am... and there is no definate answer yet... so smoke another one my friend. I'll swim under the bridge at my heart's content until someone QUALIFIED tells me it's illegal.

 

I hope a decision can be made about this. The issue has begun to spread onto the server and disrupt gameplay. :?

-Gator]THE ARMORY SERVER RULES (Draft)

 

Section 1: Map Exploiting

 

Players will not:

 

- Climb onto hills...

 

- Enter spawn areas...

 

- Place artillery markers...

 

- Prone-over ...

Gator,I would like to suggest that whatever the decision, we keep the rules as simple as possible, without the long list of caveats and exemptions... Having to write down every detail about water-crawling, klif...I mean cliff-walking, and height exploiting will make it stressful on you to document and too detailed for players to read... really, if the rule is more than 2 sentences long, I believe most ppl will only skim it if they read it at all.

 

Basically, we are having to define "play fair" for players, which is very difficult since different players (at different skill levels/maturity) have different concepts of fair. (e.g. someone at Imknifes skill level would see cliff-walking as fair, because Imknifes could kill that player without hardship. A newbie on the other hand would not understand where the enemy fire was coming from and would get very frustrated after 3 deaths by this player and possibly label this as unfair and cheating...)

 

My suggestion is:

 

Keep the "play fair" rule as it is and if necessary give examples of what "playing fair vs. playing unfair" is... (don't allow them to force you to deal with every scenario)

 

To everyone else,

 

I think that what everyone with issues here (on both sides of this problem) needs to realize is that the OTHER SIDE wants to have fun too! If you are spawn camping, for instance, I know that its fun for you... the satisfaction of not giving your enemy a chance. However, here at TA, the object is not to dominate the enemy. The object is to have fun while making sure that others have fun too.

 

Do not be selfish here, be selfless and define yourself as a player who puts others in front of themselves... with the money and time that Gator puts into this for us, you should realize that he is the supreme example of this ideal.

 

Play fair,

 

B-Cell

Unfortunately B-Cell.... a large portion of the FA community is made up of ex CS players. Tell THEM to play fair. nyuck nyuck nyuck.

Lets just say that the new rule is NO EXPLOITS. (notice the period)it should end there

Seriously, though, Malakian... this is a difficult issue... players attitudes need to change... and they can , but we need to be an example for them to model.

 

The issue is that it is easier for players to defer to higher authority than take it upon themselves to help resolve the issue. However, if we allow this to happen, TA will become a place of complex rules and regs just like many of the other servers out there... and I personally don't want that.

 

I am SURE that Gator does not want to have to play "Judge Judy" for every since exploit that is possible... I think that the player in question needs to be a bit introspective and see if their actions are encouraging others to have fun. On the other hand, the player with the accusation needs to consider if they are being too narrowly-focused.

 

In your case, on bocage, I agree that you are probably not wrong, however it would have shown maturity and consideration if (knowing that you did not have to), you stopped doing that and stated that you would during this game for their benefit... the next time you play bocage, you can exploit again, esp. if the other team is better equipped to deal with your threat 8) ... the idea is to tone down your playing to keep it interesting for both sides when needed.

 

I apologize if this offends,

 

B-Cell

 

[Edit]: I want to state that I realize I am not always the perfect player myself... there are times where I should be more considerate... I just did not want to come across as self-righteous here... I'm not.

-Kamikaze]Helmet Camming is a widely used cry, some do it and not realize it, and some aren't doing it but are accused of camming

Excuse my ignorance, but what is helmet camming... I've heard of it, but never a definition... (Google turns up nothing).B-Cell