Well, i'm currious to hear your opinions on this. Do you think that base spamming should be allowed on our server?

 

I don't think it should be, except they are just camping there or something. Today on the Gulf map I was sitting paitently to get a jet. (working on my bombing skills.) Well, I finaly got one, and noticed it had like 3 bars of hp left. Then some guy flys by and blows it up :/. He had been doing that the whole match.

 

Their comander also sent an arty in on the base a few times.

 

Now, I understand that it should be like that for more realisim issues, whatever, but... what do you all think?

I voted depends because it depends if the base is capable or not. I was on a european server this afternoon and they had a rule of no base camping the non-capable bases apart from the demo the arty and the like. Seemed to work fine, but they had a few admins there just to police it. It's got it's up and downsides.

i agree completely with what donut said. If the base is capable then by all means spam it, its part of the game. But if its uncapable then spawn camping is total unessecary by ground troups. I guess it would be valid for air planes to bomb it because they are trying to keep the enemy airforces down. And that is valid.

Ok yeah, I guess I should have specified I'm "mostly" talking about uncapable bases.

Agree, saw also us server that had this rule of not camping non-cappable flags.

 

It's simple...

...normal bases = ok

...non-capable bases = no

 

The Gulf of Oman map is a prime example where this should be enforced. The MEC side can get horribly camped (as well as the US, but the MEC base is much easier to camp)

 

Worst account was when we had 1 Blackhawk, 1 Attack chopper, 2 Airplanes, 2 Tanks and 2 APCs just sitting around that base and shooting anything that moved, this makes for some really cool game play (I'm being sarcastic)

The best part is that when you ask pepople to stop camping they just laught at you.

depends what you mean.. no one is gonna tell me to not go over and blow up their planes and vehichles, even if there is someone in it. a sure way to keep them occupied and without air power is to bomb and jets or helos on the carrier, and shoot down any that are taking off. once you get in a cycle you should be able to time it so by the time you go rearm and are flying back their stuff has spawned, and you can cannon it and bomb the carrier. artying the carrier doesnt work (for the mostpart) because it automatcily moves it about 50 meteres away so it hits in the water. and especialy with bf2 and command assets in the base there is many reasons for spawn camping

Personnally, I follow the 'don't go into uncap unless all bases are capped'

once all the bases are capped, uncaps are open season, but once a base(s) are capped, I get out.

It's part of the game. It's part of stratagy. If you can keep them pinned down, then they can't take flags. Do I like when it happens to me, no, but, it's part of the game. I generally won't spend much time on a main if other flags are still needing capping, but, I'm not opposed to it, and, if we own all flags, then you can bet your arse I'm headed to the main, unless a certain spawn needs some defending. It's also map dependant on what I do. But in short, it's part of the game, and if you can't deal with, maybe you should think about another game, because it's been part every battlefield series game. It's there, deal with it, use it.

 

TFD

its all part of the game. Live with it... or die.

sorry I disagree. And if spawn camping for you means fun envoriment to play. Cool guess I'll just swtich to some other server in that case. Because frankly I don't think it's fun at all. And most of the people that seem to think it's 'ok' just show weak sportmans ship. GG

 

Don't get me wrong you wanna go blow up the UVA, Radar or stuff that's cool got to a non-cappable flag and do that, just don't sit there with tanks or what not and wait for people to spawn.

 

Again, just lame...

[DIAL]Doc

its all part of the game. Live with it... or die.

As far as I now you don't even play BF2 and I'd like to see you have fun being instant killed when you spawn Ky :o

 

 

[DIAL]Doc

Your right, I don't like it when it happens to me, and it's good that I have push to talk on Vent, cause you guys don't here half what I'm saying when it happens to me. But the fact is, if it's your last flag, and your stuck there, then your team has not done it's job, and the end result is what you're suffering. If it's not your only flag, then for cryin' out loud, spawn somewhere else. Often times, it's best, if you're pinned down, to try and make a break for it on foot. Vehicles are the targets for the jets. If you've got tanks in base, spawn back with anti tank. If the team works together, it shouldn't be hard to break a few out. If not, then unfortunately, you've got a bad team, and you can blame them.. Again, it's part of the game, and can be a valuable part of a stratagy, and not unsportsmanlike. I do agree, it's best to own all the flags first, but, sometimes, stratagy dictates that you try to disrupt the enemy too. I find your "unsportsman like" comment a little uncalled for. I unlike alot, take my lumps, and when I'm on the recieving end of such a situation, I just do my best to get out of it, instead of crying about it (other than the off mike stuff I might scream... lol). I don't jump teams, and I stay on the team most generally that the server assigns me when I come in. As a matter of fact, on several occassions, I've been team switched by the server from a loosing team, to the winning team, and switch back as soon as I can, even once using the admin tool to force my switch back to the loosing team. Unsportman like, I hardly am..

 

TFD

I'm talking about the last flag and it's a flag that can NOT be captured. In all other cases yeah bad luck you got overrun, and once the flag is captured the map ends. To bring up my example again Gulf of Oman the MEC air field flag can NOT be captured. Sure you can say well if you lost all flag your team suck. But saying that it makes spawn camping a valid tactic, I think is pritty uncalled for. It's just another form of point farming if you want. I'm sure some people see it as that even that's why they don't care if they do it or not.

 

Also I stay by my comment that spawn camping on a not-cappable flag (if it's the last one) is bad sportmansship. It's like kicking a guy that's on the ground. Dose that make you feel a better fighter?

 

I can already see people starting to say but what if they manage to get another flag? Well that's cool a new challenge and a fair game one, not just pointing the gun at spot X and waiting for a guy to aprear there.

 

As for the team switching, I agree. I've never switched team because of that, but having the camping team just laught at you or the situation (they are well aware off) is just lame.

 

As for your suggestion on getting away on foot, let me tell you that if there is 2 tanks, 2 apcs, 2 jets, 1 blackhawk and 1 attack chopper at that flag you wont walk (or even have time to move) before you get killed. So please don't make is sound like someone would stand a chance and stay realistic here.

 

Again let me stress this. If a flag is cappable spawn camp it all you want even if it's the last one (I would do the same) but if it's the last and a non-cappable flag stay away!

 

[DIAL]Doc

Guess we'll just have to call it a difference of opinion... It's like war, if you press the issue to the enemy, and take all the towns between you and the enemy, do you just stop outside the enemies main strong hold and let them regroup? No, you press the issue until they die, surrender, or beat you back. You can't surrender in BF2.. lol It's war, not a baseball game, bad sportsmanship, nah, good stratagy, maybe, but just the same, camping one flag, capable or not, can easily backfire too. Again, it's part of the game...

 

TFD

 

edit: also, hardly point farming, as you spend alot of time dying camping (although you can rack 'em up in the blackhawk, it's being used as designed) a flag too. I've never had a flag where I found my self trapped by 2 tanks, 2 apc's, and choppers..

Funny, that just pretty much happened to us on Dragon Valley tonight. Our team was terrible or the other was very good and we had 2 APC's and a helo hemming us in at the Power Station after they took our 2 mains. I tried to get out back but it was too late by then. Like a dummy I spent most of the time trying to mine the entrance or SRAW the tanks. What can you do?

if your going to cap a flag and people spawn while your in the process,then spawn killing is, i guess part of the game.if your prone with a sniper rifle up on a hard to see hill top picking off people for entire maps,now i'd say that would be wrong.

if all the flags are taken and the only way to finish the map is to surround the other teams last flag,then i'd say that's part of the game as well.if your surrounding one of the other teams flag but not trying what so ever to cap it but instead hanging out in a tank or heli and beefing up your score,i'd say that's abit on the cheap side and would frown apon it.

but as to what should be our stance on this topic well...

TAC has always been a clan that plays games as there meant to be played.

we've never put rules on weapons.tactics,w/e.as long as no cheating or unfair play is happening then fair game.so i guess that's how we should handle this as well.

Doc -> FYI i have played BF2 (for about an hour) and was base-camped (Gulf of Oman is uncappable i believe). Thats the reality of warfare. Disruption of enemy movements and reinforecements 'for teh win'. Sportsmanship in battle is an extinct thought from 500+ years ago. You kill or You die. Its THAT simple.

LOL I like all you guys example or warfare and such, but this is a game and it's supposed to be fun to play (for everyone not just the spawn campers) so I'd say sorry but your arguments are a bit 'lame' because in real war if you die you don't respawn (in case you haven't known that) and there aren't flags you can't cap. So please stop using this to argue since it's not working.

 

Further TAC had rules in FA for spawn camping and I don't see why a similar rule for not-cappable flags can be done. (oh and all you FA hates don't even post, because to be honest I'm pritty tired of all the hate some people show when you bring up something they just don't like)

 

Ahhh good old Ky did try and Gulf of Oman is one of the maps that you will most likely get spawn camped. Guess in the end you could blame it on bad level design :o

 

And lastly TFD2001, now tell me how often will someone die when the spawncamp you in a tank and shoot you before you get the chance to fire a AT at them? Not often, it is a form of point farming, look at the score board at the end of a map where one team spawn camped the other, most will have points far beyond 60s while the camped team will barely get 20s.

Further just out of curiosity you stated yourself that you get mad if it's done to you but you also state that you have no problem doing it to others, isn't that a bit hypocritical?

 

I'll rest my case, it seem people don't care and most people that do it don't see it as the lame thing it is or argue with you on odd tangents...

...sad

 

[DIAL]Doc

I don't see why you're taking this so personally. I'm not hypocritical? I get mad because we got pinned down, and WE (my team) did not work together enough to avoid it, I don't get mad at the game. I don't see the necessity to continue to call people "Lame" and other names and snied remarks? My arguments work just as well as yours do. Trying to have a civilized discussion here, and you keep calling names? You'll die alot if someone "spawn camps" you in a tank, and your teamates fail to try to spawn with AT as well. The scores get lopsided in these situations, not because of farming, but because of the wealth of targets for your opponent, because your team failed to accomplish the goals. As I said, I don't spend alot of time doing it myself, because usually, other flags are needing capped, but, if the oportunity arrises, and there's no where else to find targets, the here I come. Often times, teams will get pinned down in their bases because they end up with a bunch of fly boys (such as in Oman) that stand around waiting on planes or choppers and not getting flags.

 

When it comes down to it, we all have our own opinions, we must all live with that. I'd be against a ban on "camping" points, but I've seen on some servers, and would not be opposed to it, is some sort of rule of no "camping" non-cappable points unless you own all flags. If you loose a flag, then you must cease your attack on the non-capable..

 

TFD

 

p.s. Lets back off the un-needed remarks and "name calling" (for lack of a better word).

I've never called any one names. I call arguments people bring up 'lame' (e.g the real world war example) and if you take affront in that I don't know what to say. If me asking you about hyprocritical (looking at your post older post) is seen as calling you names, I appologize. I considered it a valid question.

 

You seem to miss my point on the farming but it's ok, I stated I'll rest my case...

 

All I've ever pointed out and tried to discuss is that 'Spawn camping the LAST flag that is NON-CAPPABLE is unsportmanship' and that I'd like to see a rule that would guard against that. You did state some form of such a rule in your last paragraph, I'd go further than you on that rule but that's my opinion and discussing dosen't seem to work.

 

I've never said anything against spawn camping in general on cappable flag. I'm all cool with camping any flags that you can capture, even if it's the teams last one. I don't know why people seem to constantly think I'm against spawn camping in general

 

[DIAL]Doc

So basically, can we all agree that if a tank rolls into the MEC uncap on Gulf of Oman (example) and starts killing people, and his team hasn't capped all the points, he should be kicked?

So basically, can we all agree that if a tank rolls into the MEC uncap on Gulf of Oman (example) and starts killing people, and his team hasn't capped all the points, he should be kicked?

imho no. i think he should be warned (at least).

 

BTW: it's easy to destroy the lonely stray tank at base. firstly b/c we all don't spawn at the same point so some can be safe (outside shooting range, hidden inside a building or shielded by the fence).

 

secondly if you die for the first and second time you can take AT weapon of your choice and blow tank up (with a little help of some friends, perhaps, but well, it's supposed to be a team game).

 

imvho spawn camping is the most devastating when there is only one spawn point left b/c each and every enemy soldier, craft and tank would be heading there so it might be difficult to prepare good defense. So then spawn camping should be forbidden (at least that's how i understand 'no-spawn-camping-b/c-it's-ruining-all-the-fun' rule; btw: It's the same rule as it was in FA) In other cases the enemy forces are divided enough to allow you to regroup your own team around some point of the map. btw: by 'your team' I don't mean all of the members of 'red' or 'blue' forces but the most important pieces of, well, reds or blues. In your case (tac members and friends) regrouping would simply mean: "hey my friends, we all should respawn there. First 5 should secure the area to allow the others to spawn safely".

well, if you ask me...

 

spawn camping is ok, no matter what. because even if it ruins your game, you know how to handle it the next time. like say theres always this one guy who hops in a tank or something and spawn camps. well, you could try and find that guy PERSISTANTLY until you kill him. then, spawn camp him . but seriously, spawn camping is ok, because it may ruin your fun, but since its a game, you have the option to leave the server and goto another, or, leave the game and cool down for a bit. it all depends on your stress level and how much stress you can take. personally, i can take alot of spawn camping from the game, because i know what to do when i see a tank. RUN AWAY!!! but if you cant run, then spawn as AT or just deal with it. my stress endurance is high for games because i have the option to quit or leave for a little bit, whereas, irl, you cant just quit life(lets not get into this) like you can quit a game. so yeah, know when its time to stop playing or just deal with spawn camping. :/

Doc']You did state some form of such a rule in your last paragraph, I'd go further than you on that rule but that's my opinion and discussing dosen't seem to work.

 

[DIAL]Doc

Yea, it was an attempt to compromise opinions...? :o Anywho... See ya on the battlefield!

 

TFD

Doc']LOL I like all you guys example or warfare and such, but this is a game and it's supposed to be fun to play (for everyone not just the spawn campers) so I'd say sorry but your arguments are a bit 'lame' because in real war if you die you don't respawn (in case you haven't known that) and there aren't flags you can't cap. So please stop using this to argue since it's not working.

Well, i HAVE heard commercials, that BF2 is "the realistic combat simulator"...As for the rest, You are right, the fact that You respawn gives You another chance, but that doesnt mean that this situation should not be treated seperate from reality. Here is my point: Normal, thinking (?????????????????????????????) beings put in tight situation would start solving the problem and not cry 'lame' and wait for some 3rd power (whether it be admin or mommy) to solve it for them.