Me Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 http://www.dqsinc.com/WeSupportU.htm *salute* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyamoto Musashi Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I give this one credit: music. Otherwise................ Well, commenting the rest would result in deletion of this post............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Good Vid. gave me goose bumps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enders Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 They forgot to show the images of American bombers dropping incinerary bombs on German towns and also shooting missiles at Iraqi hospitals that turned out to be factories making medicinePro-American, Anti-Everyone Else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 yeah they also forgot the jap death camps, german blitz, iraqi fedayeen killing their own people for not "defending" a hated regime, and all the torture chambers and mass graves...Despite this, much as it pains me to say this, I dont think this was an appropriate link to post, sparks way to much unhealthy controversy. Technically this post is political and those types of threads have been banned. God, i sound so PC and secular, makes me sickPSThere were Canadian and British bombers and troops too, lots of them, they did as much if not more fighting and dying as the Americans. Jeez, I dont say a thing about the proud to be Canadian signs, sigs, and other things I see, but god forbid, put up something pro military (NOT pro policy mind you, never mentioned a politician) or pro American and we catch hell. Im sick of it. Ah, now i feel better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Despite this, much as it pains me to say this, I dont think this was an appropriate link to post, sparks way to much unhealthy controversy. Technically this post is political and those types of threads have been banned. God, i sound so PC and secular, makes me sick how so?? ([edit:] stupid question deleted) There were Canadian and British bombers and troops too, lots of them, they did as much if not more fighting and dying as the Americans. Jeez, I dont say a thing about the proud to be Canadian signs, sigs, and other things I see, but god forbid, put up something pro military (NOT pro policy mind you, never mentioned a politician) or pro American and we catch hell. Im sick of it. Ah, now i feel better well said Flak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadeye Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 *sniff, it makes me proud to be amer-Arrg! what am I saying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StateCop Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 You know Unwanterhero we have a saying here about ...if you can say anything good DONT say ANYTHING. You may should learn it.Good video ME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamikaze Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 politcal in natureneeds to be removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyamoto Musashi Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 :roll: @ StateCop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 Very nice video ME. It was very touching and very heartfelt. And for those "non-Americans", who, well, always have something negative to say, well, all I can say is if you lived in this country for a periood of time and truly got to know the American people, you would understand their love for humanity, and their passion for freedom for all. My father (infantry soldier) and mother (US Army nurse), both served in WWII, and no matter what you say will never take away how proud I am of their service to this country and to the world.I don't know why so many have such deep rooted jealousy of the US, but I can't change that. And UnwantedHero, all I have to say is "Shame on you". The incidents you brought up were not intentional by this government, but were rather the misfortunes of war.And Kywalker, I know you have a great distrust and dislike for the US, but that is your opinion. You also would learn a great deal if you evr lived here for a period of time.Oh, and here is a letter written some time back,by a famnous Candian Radio Broadcaster: This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -! not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StateCop Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 Good job Gator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyamoto Musashi Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 -Gator]Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. I think this is 'capitalist' way... Take all that you can, without caring about anything (i.e. have no shame shame of actions)... Those coutries have good 'capitalist' teachers. -Gator]When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. This IS americas fault you know... by sticking its 'helping' fingers anywhere for reasons unclear at first (bottom is aquiring political 'morale' power). Now all people look at US as a big bank and prey for a disaster to happen so they can get SOMETHING out of it. If, for some reason, US should stop this 'humantarian' policy, all world would rage and you would lose much of political power now, BUT it would be the right thing to do. As for the ungreatfullnes, bear with me. How would it look that the most powerfull (or so it dresses itself in those robers) country in the world would have to ask for help on matter, that they are expert in (i mean disaster salvage)... the thought brings at least grin. Normal US people could feel greatfull, but not the ones, who look after the international image. Other thing is that other countries, for reasons stated earlier simply DONT CARE... -Gator]The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. HAH!! Those plans had only one reason: To strenghten the countries closest to the communists. They simply could fall easily to the REDS. If they had, US would lose valuable points in real-life board game of 'Risk' (You remember this game, dont you??). -Gator]I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Main reason is that thats the place that all the experts are being siphoned. In parts, controlled during Cold War by 'capitalist' they were being brought to america, while behind the courtain - to USSR. All becouse one country had to have better weapons than the other. Denying that all the commercial inventions did not come first through military is laughable. -Gator]Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -! not once, but several times - and safely home again. Once more, the political Cold War thing. The ONLY reason for US to pursue landing man on the Moon was to surpass USSR in doing that. For russians were always in the lead. First to launch satelite, man, first landing on Moon (unmanned craft). But this all was just a cover-up. By landing a man, US wanted to show, that they dont treat space as a place where you can place WMD (love that abbreviation). This peacull-in-nature agenda was to cover the test of new military technologies. -Gator]You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. ... :? -Gator]When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. Same old mumbling... look above. -Gator]I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. I want a list of that. And yes, i can name 'even one'. But thats pointless mumbling again... look above. -Gator]Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Yes, they will come out of it with flag high all right. Right on top of the ruins of the world. -Gator]Stand proud, America! ... Dont get me wrong. I dont really hate the small, normal people of US. Its the big guys, who think they can do whatever their driven mind pleases, who make my skin crawl. You say i shouldnt judge all by the crimes of few? Remember Hitler? Most germans were sought as 'evil' as long as he was alive. When it was all over, all (99.999999999%) germans were innocents just doing their job. The same was with USSR and its leaders. Same is with Korea, China... And also the same is with US. Its the actions of the few, who have power in their grasp, which make all people look bad. While i dont hold grudge against them (i prefer the term naive), ther are countless others, who do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyamoto Musashi Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 -ClaymoreCarl]Kamikaze, a pro-American military video isn't political in nature. Trying to relate it to politics and personal views and beliefs may have turned this into a political debate, but it doesn't mean that the video should be removed. I find it rediculous that anybody could have a problem with this video (except for Kywalker). It's praising the American military for the sacrifices they make (a non-negotiable point), not political policies or the American way of life. Yes it is political in nature. Havent you survived to the last part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyamoto Musashi Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 And finally answer to Gator... Throughout most of my life i longed to live in US. To marry there, raise kids there, even die there. It was a paradise-on-Earth for me. But now i know that there is no such thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potatoe_Cannon Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 With great power comes great responsibility, Ky. Like it or not everyone, but US politics are not based solely on capitalism, but also on Christianity. Do you really think we'd spend (waste, in many cases) so much money on social programs if it weren't for morality. No matter how infrequently it is practiced, Christians are taught to love their neighbors as themselves, and it is immoral not to do so. It's like the parable of the Good Samaritan. If there is a disaster in another country, we rush to help because we know without our help, there would be much more suffering among the survivors. In case you haven't noticed, the US doesn't much care what the rest of the world thinks about us. If we did, we wouldn't have broken from the UN in attacking Iraq. Trying to keeping countries on our side is futile because no matter what we do, we will always be accused of alterior motives. First Iraq war? Oil. Kosovo? Distraction. Second Iraq war? Distraction. Opponents have asked why we don't invade some other countries as well. Well, what if we did invade those countries? North Korea? Suck up to the Japanese. China? Eliminate economic competition. African tyrranies? Did it for the resources. Pakistan? We hate Islam. Venezuela? Oil again. There are always alterior motives that you can accuse us of having for military action, but they are like conspiracy theories: theories that make sense and that people want to believe, but that have no actual evidence to support or refute them. So Ky, if you want to hate us, you'll always find a reason to, just like the rest of the world who wants to hate us will. So why should we care?And you're right, the Marshall Plan was partially to prevent the spread of communism. But if thats the only reason to rebuild those countries, then why would we care what happened to Iraq after we captured Hussein? We'd just leave and let the Iraqi people fend for themselves. However, just like in Germany, 99.99999% of the people in Iraq were just doing their jobs too, so maybe we should help THOSE people to rebuild their lives since they weren't exactly willing participants in the war (though I GUARANTEE you 100% that more Germans supported Hitler than Iraqis supported Hussein). And so what if we prevented the spread of communism and the USSR, kill count 62 million, 55 million of which were its own people. Is that a crime or something to prevent a system like THAT from spreading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyamoto Musashi Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 First thing, i feared that this would go to the religion. And i can assure you, that we all dont want that to happen. I may forgotten some theology lessons, but i hope not that much... And hipocricy was my speciality... Please dont start this path. Second. Here comes the same old reasoning again. I dont think Hussain was the primary reason, but lets leave it aside. Why dont you leave? Becouse charade (same as other things) needs to be kept, so people in US dont rebel against it (and some of them do, i heard). And if You want them to rebuild their lives, why dont You let them do it? Why do You deny them their will to govern themselves? Why You are forcing Your own rules. If You really mean, what You say, why dont You do it already? As for the support, thats all the matter of flocking to the banner. Hitler ruled - people backed him up (so was said), he died - all negated their ties. Same with Iraq. As for stopping the 'crime' of Communizm. You say 'murdered millions'. I agree, the people were killed, insulted and many other horrible things happened to the opressed. But what You dont see is that capitalizm is the different aspect of the same thing. Both these social systems have the same background origin (oppresion), both act the same way (through control of social emotions and behaviour), both have the same goal (give to the rich what was taken from the poor), though masked differently. Finally, for the different aspects of the same thing: Communizm killed peoples bodies - Capitalizm kills their minds and 'souls' (if you believe in one). All the Cold War was about, was to be decided, which way of murdering will be the one, that will doom the man. And last, but not least: -Potatoe_Cannon]So Ky, if you want to hate us, you'll always find a reason to, just like the rest of the world who wants to hate us will. So why should we care? Probably becouse You want to care. You care for the image, that is being presented. And in that i find the greatest hipocricy. Look at the begginig of this post to find out, why wont i (not in foreseeable future) explain this thoroughly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 *sniff*, well said gator, well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadeye Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 -Gator]I don't know why so many have such deep rooted jealousy of the US, but I can't change that. If I were you guys I would take it more as a compliment. When I graduate, I hope to go to university down in the states (much better rowing down there). Alot of it is also that the states has gotten so many more firsts than most other countries. First men on the moon, ect... Another issue might also be that the US is quite a bit warmer on average compared to up here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potatoe_Cannon Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Yes, I don't want to talk about religion either. But the truth is it causes many problems in this country, as well as many great things, such as the humanitarian aid we give even to countries that hate us. Every political discussion will involve religion because religion can't be separated from a government run by religious people, nor should it necessarily be.I don't wanna discuss the difference between capitalism and communism either, becasue we've been through this before on other threads. But everyone in America is given the opportunity to succeed. The people whose minds and souls capitalism kills are often the same people who failed all their classes in school or had a child in their teens and had to get a job. Those who reap nothing from capitalism often don't sow anything either. Capitalism doesn't owe them anything, but it does give them the freedom to go to Canada and insult the US, though the stupid and lazy won't be successful there either. There are still some things that need to be changed: higher minimum wage, higher income taxes for the wealthy, but for the most part, if you want to be successful you can. The Land of Opportunity.As for the reasons for war, once again we've all been through this. However, I think you don't realize that we don't get more oil by attacking Iraq, because the amount of oil we get is controlled by OPEC (which currently has reduced exportation of oil to the US to strangle our economy so Bush gets defeated in November, one of my own theories ). Sure we invaded Iraq, but we got no oil from it. I myself do believe we were justified in attacking because I believe the world is a better place now. I want troops to be pulled from Iraq as soon as possible, but not so soon that civil war might erupt because proper government wasn't in place. Above all, I want to make sure that there is no Gulf War III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadRoach Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 ......My family has shed blood for this nation. My father in his courage VOLUNTEERED and faced death in the jungles in Vietnam and came out with TWO purple hearts. Half the males in my family are military men. We sacrifice so that others can live in freedom. Every memorial day my father and I visited the local veterans cemetary and took part in the ceremonies there. The Canadians would send an honor guard to thank our dead for what they did fighting alongside them in WW2 (And the US would send a contigent to a Canadian city on their memorial day and do the same thing). I grew up with a deep rooted respect for those in uniform.This was not a political statement. This was a hearty "Thank you" to the men and women brave enough to lay their lives on the line.I will not get into the political debate, as our resident anti-americans have decided to make it. When my country and it's military are put down in the face of the good it has done in this world, I take it much more personally than I should. I watched what being hated by his own countrymen did to my father.... I will not tolerate that kind of crap from anybody.You are entitled to your opinions, but take them to PM's and let us thank our servicemen. If you chose to thank the servicemen of your country, I will respectfully dip my own flag in honor of their sacrifice, not turn it into all the reason I think you and your country suck ass. Kindly do me the same favor.Respectfully... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyamoto Musashi Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 "Honor, loyalty, sacrifice, duty"... On reply to this i will not use my own words, but the words of a great poet: "Words, words, words, words".Becouse, from my young, idealistc and stupid point of view, these are just that. Words, that lost the meaning through mis- and overuse. Not only that, they also are the reasons of all the warmongery in history. So excuse me, if i boil, when someone uses words, he doesnt seem to understand. And i dont mean solely their sound, but their weight and what they carry in themselves throughout the (known) history of mankind.Wanted to write more, but saw the pointlessness of that. So lets just finish with background.EDITOkay, i decided to explain myself a little bit clearer. Words depicted at the begining have (nowadys) one reason to exist: to, when person hears them, raise his/hers 'spirit'. To raise heartbeat, quicken the breathrate, increase blood pressure, lock eyes-forward and draw hand up to the side of the head with salute or to the breast. Most of these symptoms are 'fight or run' relexes. Reflexes. Person that hears them (from my observations) doesnt act rationally, but acts on reflexes. Person doesnt think of the word's meaning, just reacts to the sound of the word. Person doesnt need to understand them, just hear them and react as is required. These words lost all the grandeur throughout the ages. Now they are just empty shells. Instruments of control emotions of masses. Either to raise morale (leading to fanatism), or induce rage. And these are the states, that are the easiest to channel and control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 you know KY you could substitute "music" for everytime you used "word" in your explanation and it would be the same. :shock: that is a very interesting point of view but.... who can communicate at all without words?actions back them up but words (at least to me) are the foundation/means of expression and communicationYour thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyamoto Musashi Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 No, no, no, you misunderstood me. I meant that the meaning and weight that comes with these particular words were lost. The reaction to these words is becoming less intelectual, more a reflex. That, in my opinion, is not a good sign. One, who uses words, should be able to understand them, not simply speak them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potatoe_Cannon Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 Yes, but the point is that our soldiers have offered their lives to their country, and many have lost them. They made this "sacrifice" (a better definition of the word I don't think can be found) not because they had the same interests and needs as their country, but they saw their country's interests and needs and took up arms to fight for that which had given so much to them, their families, and their friends. Every person in America needs to be reminded that they stand on the shoulders of those who gave their lives so that we may live ours in freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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