You guys don't seem to understand fundamentals of technolgy increments. Complaining about this is like complaining that you 'can't' use 16 MEG EDO ram sticks with your P4 processors. If you have the last generation processor (XP) - then why is it going to be such a great concern that you can't have a next generation graphics card paired with it? If you did that the XP process would likely bottleneck the capability of the mismatched graphics card anyway - so the point is moot.It's pointless to get a next-gen graphics card if you don't have the next-gen 64-bit processor to go with it. CPU limited benchmarks that you can see at lower resolutions even with processors as fast as a P4 3.2 EE and a Radeon 9800 XT prove this point quite aptly.Incase any of you had no clue what I was saying, I can basically sum it up as: if you think it's a bad thing that the 'XP's don't support next-gen graphics card buses, then you are stupid.

It is not stupid when the XP's CPU and Memory controller can handle the bandwidth of the new cards. The mfgrs just want to make more money and that is the bottom line.You cannot say that a P4 1.8 with Rdram and a Radeon9800 Pro is not a good or constricted gaming systemJust as My Abit NF7-S at 200fsb with a Mobile XP at 2400mhz cannot support a PCI express videocard. That is my point and complaint. It is a good one and certainly NOT stupid.

It is not stupid when the XP's CPU and Memory controller can handle the bandwidth of the new cards. The mfgrs just want to make more money and that is the bottom line.

 

You cannot say that a P4 1.8 with Rdram and a Radeon9800 Pro is not a good or constricted gaming system

 

Just as My Abit NF7-S at 200fsb with a Mobile XP at 2400mhz cannot support a PCI express videocard.

 

That is my point and complaint. It is a good one and certainly NOT stupid.

Just because they can handle the speed, doesn't mean they could handle the different technology used by said cards. If they're using über1337 new technology, then of course your mobo cannot support it (which i believe they are) - Besides, theres many different POVs than just that, theres also heat, size, and a few other things that people who know far more about the making of the new stuff could tell you about. Either way, i don't think they're out to "just make more money" by making us upgrade - It'd have to be an industry-wide consperisy, considering the graphics cards, mobo makers, ram people, cooling folk, and the hard-drive folk are all in different fields and aren't competing with one-another.

What I am saying is the Mfrger can make a new mobo with PCI express that supports the new technology.They can do it. They are choosing not to.I know it is new stuff. I am not that naive.

What's stopping BTX and PCI-E from being the next betamax VCR or 3dfx... something else might come along that makes this all obsolete and people who made the "hard" update to this new standard have to do the same thing on the new standard.

 

Maybe we'll all be playing Battlefield: Iran on Ultrablade 50000's running Solaris 20.4.

Mainly because the Betamax VCR and the 3dFX weren't industry wide standards.

 

What I am saying is the Mfrger can make a new mobo with PCI express that supports the new technology.

 

They can do it. They are choosing not to.

Err, you said that you'd need to update motherboards. Because the technology hasn't been publically released yet; you're complaining that the manufacturers havn't released it? I think that's just the major idea. But, once again, what you're expecting is them to take an old computer, using old technology, and somehow forge new technology into it making it work perfectly. It's not going to work, it shouldn't work; if it did work it wouldn't be called "new" technology, it'd be "updated" technology. And if you're not that naive, perhaps you should stop acting like it every once in awhile

It is not stupid when the XP's CPU and Memory controller can handle the bandwidth of the new cards. The mfgrs just want to make more money and that is the bottom line.

 

You cannot say that a P4 1.8 with Rdram and a Radeon9800 Pro is not a good or constricted gaming system

 

Just as My Abit NF7-S at 200fsb with a Mobile XP at 2400mhz cannot support a PCI express videocard.

 

That is my point and complaint. It is a good one and certainly NOT stupid.

Well, it's quite obvious you missed my entire point.

 

Let me rephrase - YES, actually, it IS, stupid, and this is backed up by simple evidence. In many commonly used circumstances, especially at lower resolutions - and especially with 'last gen' processors like the XP, you're FAR, FAR more likely to be CPU limited in your FPS than you are to be graphics card limited.

 

This is demonstrated by looking at multiple card FPS comparisons that you can see at any hardware review site. I can remember many graphs that show comparisons of multiple Nvidia and ATI cards that came out MONTHS ago paired with a P4 3.2 - faster than ALL the XP's - at low resolutions 640 or 800 - and even in some cases 1024x the numbers across the board from all of the video cards were indentical - which leads one to the obvious implication that the video cards are not the FPS's limiting factor - and as stated in many of these reviews that I have read, the CPU at these lower resolutions is the limiting factor.

 

Keep in mind we're talking about a processor that is faster than any XP - and simultaneously talking about video cards far, FAR slower than PCI Express next gen cards like the 6800 and X800 I'm citing. This makes the gap far larger than it already is (even now, in many circumstances with the last gen cards and last-gen processors the FPS is CPU limited)... with XP's and next-gen cards paired, despite memory bus capabilities - my point is correct. For the vast majority of applications and circumstances the fact that you couldn't pair a next gen card with the XP will be meaningless, because even with a slower card the FPS would be CPU limited. It'd be a waste of a next-gen card to pair it with an XP, quite simply.

 

Yes, companies releasing things incrementally when developments are certainly not made incrementally IS a money-grubbing strategy... but that's irrelevant to the fact that the 'XP without PCI Express = Bad' is essentially wrong.

It is just not as easy as it could be.

This is not also a bashing topic.Please keep it kind.

It's like buying a Plasma T.V. and then the cable people say the new cables they are installing on your street arne't compatible with plasma. ANALOGY ZINNNGGGGGGG

This is not also a bashing topic.

 

Please keep it kind.

My apologies if I was a bit gruff with my rebuttle.

 

'Tis a bit maddening when one simple repeats themselves and basically says 'You're wrong because of what I said originally. GG'. I mean, that's how I interpretted it, anyway

NP. Understandable.I did not think you were getting my point.I know things need to progess.However, there are soo many systems out there they can make money on and adapt (New motherboards with an AGP slot and PCI express ) the new cards to but they are not and that is frustrating.

but if we look at it realistically, say for the sake of arguement you got a 3200+ XP, top end componants, and a 9800xt 256meg, is gonna be good anyway, if you upgrade out of necessity, then by the time you do upgrade, the components will need to be upgraded anyway, because things like ram and CPU sockets will have changed, for example, the system i am running at the moment was originally an AMD 1.5ghz, when i came to upgrade i was thinking "yeah ok ill just stick in a new CPU and ram" but i had to buy, a new mobo, better ram, a higher rated psu, and a new case, CPU cooler and som other bits, because by the time i NEEDED to upgrade, the stuff was as cheap as when i had upgraded before, but none of it was compatable.the way things are going anyway, the MFR's are going towards making mostly 64bit CPU's now that they have been released, to incoperate/intigrate technology in they're CPU's would take a pretty major redesign, they dont need to cause they have their 64bit archetecture, By the time you NEED to upgrade because you cant run current applications itll have to be a new system anyway, the price will be cheap enough to make it fasible...now if you upgrade now because you want to "stay with the times" thats when problems start!