August 22, 200421 yr Dude Russian equipment is crappy. It w sits best during Vietnam. After that the Americans got so much better. As for russias new equipment, its this simple they still cant afford it. Not trying to bash you country but I have friends that left Russia because they hated it. Russias technology is even behind Americas old tech. f-14 is more than 30 years and still the premier jet fighter and yes its better than all that Russian junk. And the new f-22 and jsf-35 are better. T-90 MBT, BTR-90, and the KA-50 As for those. T90 has a less effective and less accurate firing system, armor that would stop anything had it been in WWII. And the Russians just don't have the round technology like we have. V12 piston engine Abrams has angled depleted uranium armor, firing system that can place a round within 10 meters of its target at maximum range. Better munitions types. AGT1500 gas turbine engine BTR-90 is first off at this point on an export only contract. Carries smaller caliber weapons ( and Russian equipment Is not good unless there are a lot of them and they are big) , weighs 22 tons, has technology based on the btr-80 and bmp2 ( already junk) LAV can be fitted with the Abrams main battle cannon, grenade launcher, machinegun, radar jamming equipment, tow mounts, all have a self winching system, better crew protection (armor) , better communications, can be fitted for anti air weaponry, can be built into a tent!!! Better engine, suspension, electrical systems, weighs 23,000 lbs (28k max), better camera/visual equipment, and I looked at ever model of the btr90 and couldn't find shovel on the out side! You see where im getting to? Oh and ill back off a lot here but the KA50 will prolly crash before it takes of (figure that one out) Russian equipment always had a good concept and stuff like that but then again had the world be equal communism wouldn't be bad, but its not. 2nd rate cheap equipment isn't going to protect you from anything. If you want to keep arguing over this stuff let me know im up for it F-14 is better then Russian "junk"?? Boy read my source about that US f-15 lost against Russian made jets. T-90 have the best armour of all tanks right now Kontakt-5 can withstand direct hits from the newest shells used by the abrams. Shtora-1: provides protection from all semi atomatic lazer and wire guided missiles (like Maverik, Hellfire, TOW, HOT, Javalin and more.Arena: the arena system is optional and can be fitted on all modern Russian armour including BMP's (IFVs). The arena also provides protection from almost all the anti tank missiles (Abrams doesen't have systems like arena or shtora-1, and belive me he could use them, I know a site that shows blow up abrams tanks in iraq, that where destroid by an RPG-7!). Cost: T-90S costs 2-3 million US (that's how much other Russian and NATO tanks cost). compare to the abrmas that costs more than 5 million US.T-90 can destroy the abrams from a range of 4-5 km by using it's guided missile to penetrate through the abrams's turret roof. KA-50 would destroy any US chopper and it doesent matter that Apache is 10 years older because its the newest US chopper. And F-22 and JSF aint out yet.
August 22, 200421 yr the f22 and jfs35 are being produced now, apache is not the newest chopper, and the f14 is not the f15. when we go to the tank battle front the abrams and the t90 are more tied than i had admitted but we would still win... esp since i dont see a tank standiung up against a jdam or moab... and yes the us will drop one for every tank if it needs to. we care to win not to economically please people.you know when india has there big river cleansing thing people die because its so un sanitary....i will give the latter model migsthis though, the know how to have fun. it can do a backflip... woohoo
August 23, 200421 yr Dude Russian equipment is crappy. It w sits best during Vietnam. After that the Americans got so much better. As for russias new equipment, its this simple they still cant afford it. Not trying to bash you country but I have friends that left Russia because they hated it. Russias technology is even behind Americas old tech. f-14 is more than 30 years and still the premier jet fighter and yes its better than all that Russian junk. And the new f-22 and jsf-35 are better. T-90 MBT, BTR-90, and the KA-50 As for those. T90 has a less effective and less accurate firing system, armor that would stop anything had it been in WWII. And the Russians just don't have the round technology like we have. V12 piston engine Abrams has angled depleted uranium armor, firing system that can place a round within 10 meters of its target at maximum range. Better munitions types. AGT1500 gas turbine engine BTR-90 is first off at this point on an export only contract. Carries smaller caliber weapons ( and Russian equipment Is not good unless there are a lot of them and they are big) , weighs 22 tons, has technology based on the btr-80 and bmp2 ( already junk) LAV can be fitted with the Abrams main battle cannon, grenade launcher, machinegun, radar jamming equipment, tow mounts, all have a self winching system, better crew protection (armor) , better communications, can be fitted for anti air weaponry, can be built into a tent!!! Better engine, suspension, electrical systems, weighs 23,000 lbs (28k max), better camera/visual equipment, and I looked at ever model of the btr90 and couldn't find shovel on the out side! You see where im getting to? Oh and ill back off a lot here but the KA50 will prolly crash before it takes of (figure that one out) Russian equipment always had a good concept and stuff like that but then again had the world be equal communism wouldn't be bad, but its not. 2nd rate cheap equipment isn't going to protect you from anything. If you want to keep arguing over this stuff let me know im up for it I wasn't comparing it to American equipment. American equipment is better, we all know that. Like I said before, I WAS NEVER COMPARING TO AMERICAN EQUIPMENT!!!! anyways the T-80U is a better tank than the T-90S The BMP's are better than the BTR series as for the core of the future Russian Air Force: the Su-37, Su-34, Su-47 or even the MiG 35/1.42, and the Tu-160. Russia can't afford those and are selling them to China. btw, the Ka-50 and Ka-52 already are in limited service. It hasn't entered into full scale production yet.. The handful of prototypes have successful flight records. In January 2001 combat tests of two Ka-50 attack helicopters in Chechnya which are being operated for the Joint Armed Forces (JAF) came to an end. The "Black Sharks" had destroyed 30 large-scale objectives (large groups of Chechen rebels, clusters of vehicles and bases in hard-to-reach mountain areas). The specialists who perform the tests noted the high reliability of the helicopter, its ability to perform combat missions at altitudes above 5,000 m that is beyond the power of the Mi-24 fire support helicopters. Having high-performance electronic equipment on-board the "Black Sharks" were able to easily detect and destroy the detected targets.
August 23, 200421 yr http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976387081.htm an ak47 for 500 bucks I can buy a processor for 500 bucks also. for any terrorist group/milita/army, 500 bucks per rifle is extremly cheap /me sets up terrorist organization, just to buy that gun! Actually, no. But I want.
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