Wellsy you say annoying things alot.

This would be a correct statement, i learned it during my small stint at [*], and years of lameage by people with m79's gives me all the right i need to be lame aswell. GG Double Standards? i think not

And yes Haybusa, i meant the Kazagunthi dude, he was awsome and a good laugh.

Have you ever tried hosting a BF 1942 server, i mean we all have it so i see no reason why we couldnt pack that out.

As I have said to Gator I think 1 game maybe the best way to take the clan. I do think we should stay the "Gaming Community" we have been until BF2 anyway. We needed to cut cost and things that are not being used is a good way to do this. I understand what you are saying DeadRoach and I dont blame you about not wanting to keep buying games. Save your money for BF2 because unless something just really sucks about it then that will be the 1 game we play here when it comes out. From looking at BF2 I think it will be like JO but better. I think that JO will keep people active until we make our official move. This will accomplish several goals such as keeping a larger clan base of people who contibute a lot to the server and introduce new people to TAC which we have been doing. While JO is NOT "officially supported" I think we as a gaming community would be better servered in the long run to allow it until BF2 comes out at least.

I personally believe we should just stick with FA until it's deadwe kind of jumped the gun there, during the mass "FA IS DEAD" hysteria stage.wait for FA to be forgotten (probably around the time when Hl2 is released) and then consider moving on.

FA is dead. the armory is the reason that FA is not totally dead, now at least,

so...if we leave, we leave it to rotstick with it people...

Our games we play growth has exploded as of late, and it had led to some unrest as it always does. Seems like this cycle is continual....

Please keep the comments flowing, we have some really great feedback here folks. These are the types of comments we want to hear. We want to know how you feel so we can make The Armory Clan better. I know people are tired of buying new games, and we need to prevent that from happening in the future. Fatty, Deadroach, and many others have brought up some interesting points. Communication is important to make things happen for the better. Firearms is not dead yet, and we continue to play it for now. All I am saying is that eventually it will get to the point where there are only a couple of servers with player activity, so we need to be prepared to move on and have a plan of action.Bringing the BFV server down is temporary until such time when we can a better server that can accommodate both FA and BFV/POE/DC (we may mix it up here on different days).We really don't want to lose anybody, and I hope everyone stays. I think with a definitive plan, we as a group can plan for a smooth transition from FA to a new state-of-the-art game when its time to pack our bags and move.

I'm not into BF type games because its ruled by vehicles...So when FA goes down I'll probably be done with TAC.However, FA 3.0 is coming out before to long and I expect it to bring back a few older players so don't quit FA yet.I suggest that the SC looks at some of the mods planned for HL2.If even 1/10 are finished there will be some great mods to choose from.If you'd like Gator, I can compose a list of HL2 mods for you.Also, there is an fps coming out soon called Stalker, this game looks absolutely amazing. Google it and check out all of its features.PUNISHER

I agreeI'd rather be in this clan if it had Hl2 mods, but Hl2 is a game I'm 100% definatly buying, but I'm stilly sketchy on BF2.

i am right there too about HL2. i would love it more if TAC got into at least one good HL2 mod that resembles firearms-G

The main reason I bought BF1942 and BF:V was to play with you guys, to be honest. A game can't really be fun without the right people...

I'd rather be in this clan if it had Hl2 mods, but Hl2 is a game I'm 100% definatly buying, but I'm stilly sketchy on BF2.

i agree I'm defanitly going to but HL2 and BF2 in that order and prefer HL and it's mods to BF, because of the infantry experence in HL , and the overwhelming dominence of aircraft in BF (which i can't fly) and the lack of of ability fo infantry to do any thing in those games. but they r booth going to be great games

but will follow the clan to whatever game we decide upon

In joining TA, I was getting into my first ever clan experience. Well, after a short week stint in DoL . I was very excited to be a part of what I saw as the finest FA clan out there. TA had the most friendly most helpful players and the level of comradery was extremely high. I have been disappointed to see this comradery fall as of late and I think it can be attributed to the fragmentation. I think it would be difficult to continue on as a "community". I know that since the community talk started, I have not enjoyed myself as much becuase I don't get to play with alot of the coolest/friendliest people anymore. We all have different opinions on which games are enjoyable and that is fine. But having everyone scattered about playing FA, JO, BFV, PoE, DC, AA, and any others I cant remember, lessens the experience for me. I am now playing alot of FA and having alot of fun again because there are always (almost) plenty of friendly players there. I hope that we can get back to playing one core game. I must agree with Doc that many of us probably do not have the equipment to move on to newer games/mods. But even with 3.0 coming out, FA will eventually have to be (considers choice of words) discarded by the clan. I don't imagine there are too many doom clans still out there, and if there are, what the heck are they thinking? So I hope we can get through this with minimal loss of members and move on to a game we can all find some aspect(s) whithin to enjoy.

Here is the definition of a clan as stated by one of the many online dictionaries:'In computer gaming, a clan is a group of players who regularly play together at a particular multiplayer game, generally as a team. Clans also act as social groups, with players often meeting up both on and offline.'I have been following TAC since ClaymoreCarl has been my roommate, and have even thought of trying to join, myself, at times. Even though I'm more of an MMORPG player in my gameplay, the guilds/clans I've been in have had the same issues lately. Through having discussions, reading forums, and playing on TAC servers, I have come to a conclusion. It is my opinion that TAC has evolved from a Firearms clan to a gaming community. The difference between the gaming community and clan has to do with one small phrase: 'at a particular multiplayer game'. TAC has allowed the inclusion of more than one multiplayer game, breaking the definition of a clan and now becoming a gaming community. If the ultimate goal of TAC is to be a strong clan, then force clan members to play FA; however, if TAC does not want this, then games should not be dictated by any authority.Selecting and excluding games is not going to accommodate the lack of camaraderie, teamwork, and friendship. If people pay $50 for a game, they're going to play it. True, most have their favorites and that is fine; as a community, the goal is to find people who share common favorites and there you will have the camaraderie and teamwork. To constrain to a select few games will only push those people you want back away faster.I can understand the desire to have people play on a server you pay money for, and I don't discount that. The Armory is well known for their presence in Firearms, and with so many of your clan members still playing it, I agree that having TAC servers for Firearms is the right thing to do. I would suggest possibly not purchasing other servers, however, until you are sure you have a basis to justify the buy. If you notice a lot of people are in a Ventrilo channel daily playing a game (even after it's 'the flavor of the month'), that would allow me to believe that a server might be in order.If you had to discontinue the BFV server because people weren't playing on it consistently, then it seems like a waste to pay for one in the future. There are many times I have glanced over from pulling mobs all day to see no one in your BFV channel on Ventrilo, and the short amount of times I've gotten on to play BFV, TAC's server didn't show up because it was empty. I just think money could be better saved for BF2 if that is where TAC is heading.The issues should not be "What games are TAC going to adopt in the future" and instead "How many kills can I get today" or "How can I be a better dogfighter". Because ultimately the games should be dictated by those who pay for them, and not a select few, unless you are a clan, in which case you have already narrowed down to one game and basically said "if you don't like it, don't be in the clan". By saying <insert game here> is not played by TAC is excluding existing members--in a way you are forcing a choice on the member. It's common logic that: 1. I bought a game. 2. I want to play the game. 3. TAC doesn't allow that game. 4. I leave TAC to play my game. I doubt there would be many that would buy a game and because their clan did not support it, they did not play it. Instead they would either not get on to play with the clan at all to play their new game, or leave the clan if they really wanted to exclusively play that game. I really doubt that is the goal of TAC.I hope everything turns out ok for TAC, and the short amount of gameplay I've had with them has been great. If your goal is to become a FA/BF2 clan, then you are on the right track; I understand that FA is appealing since it functions on older hardware well, and BF2 is for those in the clan who do not want to play FA and have the computer power to do so. If this is the case, then I would suggest not even considering adopting any other games than these two. All I can say is good luck and hope for the best.

I think what peaple fail to understand is no matter what the choice made, somebody is going to be unhappy with the choice. Regardless of what's done, peaple are probably going to leave. Heck, you see this in any guild/clan. My former EQ guild lost members when they chose to focus on one particular goal that others didn't agree with. Life goes on, I wish them well.All games die eventually. Sure, a few peaple like me like to dust off my old games and run them on a faster computer than I used to have and see what they should of looked like... but they eventually get cast aside again. This will happen to Firearms, probably very soon. I predict it will fizzle out fast as soon as Halflife 2 is released.I feel for the FA diehards, and I understand why they don't want to see the best damn server go. Our server is a great example of how things SHOULD be done. Despite all the crap we take for doing things our way, peaple came to OUR server and played. It's an example that ultimatly, peaple want good sportsmanship and a well admin'd server above everything else. And I too will be sad to see it go. But on the otherhand, we can carry that attitude to WHATEVER server Gator and the rest of the SC graciously set up for us.I'll be sad to see anybody go, but I've learned to accept it as part of my online gaming experiance. Peaple and clans will come and go, the only constant I've had thru all my gaming experiances has been my bud LORD Orion, nothing else. Well, that and the volume on my speakers will always be too loud for my wife :PThose who go, it's been good to know you, may you find more fun peaple to frag like I have in NS and DoD. Those who stay.... well, LETS GET IT ON!

so when is this server shutting down? i hope its not any time in the near near future.

ya, at what point does TAC's obligation to the firearms community, who for the most part bitch at us anyway, run out? Also, i think we should definately focus on one game to play comptetively, but i dont think just because something new comes out means we should drop the other games people play. Because of JO and BFV, we have made new friends in new communites, such as TPF, the Nova Admins, or the SFL guys, and numerous other people and groups and it would be cool to support them in a non-competiative stance or osmething like that, since its not like either bfv or jo, or any of the other games that are multiplayer shooter focused (whole slew of them coming out before BF2, hell even HL2 should be out first) are suddenly just going to die, there are quite a few bigger, better games than everquest, for example, but its still steaming ahead strongly.Also, its important to remember that bf2 isnt even close to being done yet is it? For all we know, dice could have blown it and made the game suck, we cant tell yet, shoudlnt we at least see what else is out there first, as we should have plenty of time to

Well, yes, people tire of the same thing after a while. Getting new maps helps. Having team voice chat helps in 2 ways, 1 is humor and laughter from hearing team mates, 2 by adding team help recon of enemy whereabouts, adding to sense of team play and interest longevity. It's also more of an adreneline rush at times because of the faster pace in smaller maps. I will not likely buy another that does not have voice. As I predicted months ago, seems I was right eh ? :wink: See quote below from my old post on this. BFV made me laugh at 1st from it's music and vehicles. That wore off fast. Anyway, salute to y'all, whatever you decide.

 

I agree the M-60 was weakened a tad too much, and there are some other tweaks that must be made as well, but overall, Battlefield Vietnam is the greatest "First Person Shooter" game ever designed. There will be more releases and changes as time goes on.

 

To have the abilty to fly, drive, or ride is fantastic. To have the ability to shoot at targets while riding with another player is simply great. The graphics, although rough on most systems, is a marvel to see. Every aspect of the game is great in my opinion, and I look forward to playing it each and every time.

 

Firearms is the Best Half-Life mod in the world, and was top dog during its tenure. New games are out now offereing better graphics and animations. Firearms, although still fun to play, is very limited as to what it can do.

 

I respect your opinion, but I can tell you that BF:V is not going to die a quick death, but I believe it will be the PC "Game of the Year", not to meniton other "mods" that will be created using the BF:V engine.

 

I STRONGLY recommend buying BF:V, it is truely a great game

Communication is important to make things happen for the better.

Can we please stick with a game that has voice communication?

 

Firearms is not dead yet, and we continue to play it for now. All I am saying is that eventually it will get to the point where there are only a couple of servers with player activity, so we need to be prepared to move on and have a plan of action.

the slow death of FA breaks my heart but its inevitable, lets just not die along with it

 

We really don't want to lose anybody, and I hope everyone stays. I think with a definitive plan, we as a group can plan for a smooth transition from FA to a new state-of-the-art game when its time to pack our bags and move.

how much will it cost me to get a new machine to play with you fellas? because thats what it will take(for me at least) im not asking to prove any points, i just want to know how much i will need

like Paradigm, I bought BF1942 and BF:V, downloaded DC and POE, etc to play with you guys(oh, you've played a few rounds with me, you just didn't know it)Carl, this clan when it was an actual gaming clan and not a community, when you and I were first in it, had over 100 members, just for FAYou stick to one game, and maybe some of it's subsequent mods and you can focus your efforts and concentrate more on promoting yourself within one area or communityYou spread yourself out to many games and many mods, you end up spreading yourself thin and make it hard to actually have some form of control and community.Either way, people will leaveand I remember Kaz, my old marie sniper buddy. Also, his quote was "Hide the sheep, the DP are coming to town)Hell, if you make the right decision, even I will come back (<TAC> Kamikaze| [RA] looks sexy, admit it)

damn itnow I'm considering buying BF:Veverytime I think I'm out, they always pull me back inanyway, back on topicI think, whenever someone says 'Firearms is dead' or 'firearms is dieing' that they really make at least 1 firearms player consider why they play, and thus in a way, by saying something like this, you're killing firearms.We ALL know firearms is slowly dieing, but you don't need to bring that up everytime someone says firearms.so, on the idea of finding another game when firearms goes away, I think we should just really hold back and see what games will be avaliable at that timeI think hl2 would be the best idea, there are already hundreds of mods that are ready to get going upon its release.

I am personally more worried about a ranking system than anything else.How wil that work?

I wanted to post something elaborate, but decided against. Its TAC server, they pay for it. If they shut it down, then we wont have anything to say about it. It is not my (us-outsiders) concern.