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Get Photoshop CS2 and Macromedia Flash 2004 and tell them that you need a new computer so you can run those programs properly and effeciently. Tell them that if you learn how to use those programs expertly you can actually make money using them, especially flash.

1. Show them how much of the respect Punisher gained when he upgraded his PC and became the most feared FA player Tell them that you need the same respect that they don't give you any and you have to look for it in virtual life.

 

2. Tell them that some Pole (i.e. me) laughs out loud at your equipment and claims he has better PC than you and it's really, really annoying to be worse than a Pole.

 

3. Show them all the answers to this thread and tell them how many of your friends really care about you, about your PC and how many of them came here to help you in this case. I think they will understand how it's important to you to have a new PC.

LOL you are a funny guy for a pole. j/k my wife is Polish.

Hmmmmm. Where did the money you have come from ? Them ? I can imagine they maybe are thinking you already have a decent pc. And that you may find more important uses for the money later. One of the best things to learn is saving and resisiting spending on truly unnecessary things. When you atain adult age they are maybe hoping your priorities on spending or saving for longer lasting investments, will change. So in the "MEAN"time they are doing what they consider more responsible as parents and best for you in long run. Appreciate that atleast It's not smart to not have some savings that you continually add to from earnings.

 

One good point already posted here was as long as you're kept happy at home, you can't get into trouble away from home. But, I'm guessing they think highly enough of you that they doubt that would happen. Which may mean they prefer you working on relationship/people skills. Important later in life for knowing truly good "picks" and not. Practice makes for better judgement. They maybe just fear you'll have no balance of learning social skills/getting to know the many kinds of people out there ... and your pc time.

 

Patience is truly a very good thing. I hope you don't get angry with them. Continue nice calm reasoning with them, but not every day. Maybe once a week. So they don't get angry which won't help. If you must, get sad, not mad.

 

Good luck. I respect your parents.

heya now. dont make fun of the polish.. or ill get my grandma to beat you up

-G

give them a speech about how being on the computer keeps you off the streets and lessens your chances of becoming a drug addict or worse.

LOL you are a funny guy for a pole. j/k my wife is Polish.

wife? umm when did you get married?? Last I knew she was your girlfriend, when did you tie the knot?

LOL you are a funny guy for a pole. j/k my wife is Polish.

It's really funny b/c my wife is Polish, too

 

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Hmmmmm. Where did the money you have come from ? Them ? I can imagine they maybe are thinking you already have a decent pc. And that you may find more important uses for the money later. One of the best things to learn is saving and resisiting spending on truly unnecessary things. When you atain adult age they are maybe hoping your priorities on spending or saving for longer lasting investments, will change. So in the "MEAN"time they are doing what they consider more responsible as parents and best for you in long run. Appreciate that atleast It's not smart to not have some savings that you continually add to from earnings

Please get out of my house or at least stop listening to my conversations with my parents.

 

That is exactly what they are saying.

 

PLEASE keep this thread on topic people.

exactly......they are against gaming pretty much.

 

*cough* Private Parts *Cough* Statecop *Cough* and.... if they dont know anything about computers.... download a bunch of pron and kill your computer so you "have to" get a new one and then your home free... or break it some other way.... and make sure you take out a vital part like your Memory Block so they cant go get it repaired!!!

LOL@BTD, man those are funny... but really...maybe you should go with what Torch was saying, about the I-already-have-good-grades-so-why-should-it-matter bit.

I will try it soon. Wheat Bun....bad idea because I want to sell my current computer also.....so I kinda need it intact. Believe me, I had thought of that already.

Ohhh yeahhhh sorry about that

if you know any thing about programing, you could write a recurive algorthm that starts up 1-2 mins after you log into windows and makes the comp slow down till it crashes.

yah I cant do that.

if you know any thing about programing, you could write a recurive algorthm that starts up 1-2 mins after you log into windows and makes the comp slow down till it crashes.

Sounds like kernel32.dll clone to me... :)Why bother? Everyone has that program already with windows installed

Well paint me crusty cause i.m a parent and i understand where they are coming from.

With that said have you made a serious attempt to trim all the fat off of windows xp? I mean A serious attempt there is a ton of crap in xp than can really bog down gaming but otherwise let normal internet work fine. When i was active in this clan before i was playing fairly well with an amd 950 gforce2 64 with 256 ram and my only hang-up was a 28.8 dial up connection and that was with 98se. once i got a decent connection i was able to do very well indeed but shortly thereafter i got a major crash and burn with the comp and some other things as well. Maybe your parents know something they haven't let you in on yet you are 15? well it's entirely possible that they may be planning some kind of ride for you in your future and know that you will need the money for that? the main thing is they are your parents and yes it is your money but they could be trying to help you manage it a little better than you are willing to do for yourself. Been there done that got the mountain of debt to prove it.

but the best way would be is to try to get a part time job, take on a little more responsibility around the house and, yes I know it's tuff, but cut back a little on the comp time and they may relent when they see that you a willing to make and extra effort to not blow all of your cash in one load and have a plan to continually replace it with more not just a lump sum with one sale. Not to mention that it will also help you with convincing them that you need your own vehicle to go to work etc... once you have that steady income from a part-time job you will have a much easier time of convincing them to allow you to keep say 20-25% of it to the side to spend on a new comp. Parents are funny about wanting to see that you can function in a semi-realistic adult manner successfuly before they let you do other adult type thing like make large purchases that could make you nearly bankrupt. try impressing them with your adult capabilities before you try to make them let you make adult decisions. it's a strech and it's not the easiest way but that is how most of the real world functions you have to prove your worth before you can collect what your worth.

How much do you have in the bank exactly and how much can you (definately) sell your current PC for? Do you have any expensive toys? Paintball guns, electronics...off the top of my head. Have you called local game shops to see if they will take used games for cash? I don't know about you but if I got 10 dollars for every video game I own and don't play I'd make pretty decent bank.

 

If all else fails, sell your self into parental servitude...When I was younger I used to give my parents the BS "I'll wash your car every week for a month buy me xxxxxx" then wash it like once and they'd forget.

 

Have your parents made any large frivolous purchases lately? Give them a guild trip. Be like "$1500 for a PC is nothing Dad. How much did that plasma TV cost? Ya I thought so."

^ i agree with him

 

eventually, i would try to find a friend with a credit card, give him the money so he buys it for you.

 

when parents arent home, put the new parts in the system. nothing they would notice though

My Mom said that I could get one after I earned enough money from a JOB, but I cant really get a job until next schoolyear (after school job somewheres, hopefully). Believe me, I looked for a job, cuz I wanted the money for a new PC. I told my mom that I could just pay for it now with the money in my bank and then restock my account with my money, not buying anything non-essential while restocking. She said no to that.

 

Oh and my parents are gonna let me have my sister's old car I think, so thats ok there.

 

Anyways, thanks for the help guys.

 

(oh and the washing the car thing or helping around the house would get this response: You should be doing that anyways! We give you allowance for that kind of stuff! I think you need to do more to earn that allowance. Go do this and this and this and this........It would just get me into more trouble)

You get an allowance? LOL well did you factor that into your income? My parents never did the allowance thing, I just don't pay for stuff...but anyways...Get a job like right now. Some places are still hiring for summer. Your dad's a doctor right? Do secretary stuff for him. If you don't get a job really soon you definately will be screwed until next year when everyone quits and goes back to college. Is your account wired to your parents? Do what gopats said if its not. If it is you're screwed there. My accounts are connected to my parents so my balance prints out whenever my mom checks hers.

Seriously, and I don't mean to be rude, but what you have to do is get off the computer, and stop playing games for awhile, hang out with some friends IN REAL LIFE, wait a few weeks, and see if you still desperately need this computer. If you have one that runs the game, that's absolutely fine. There is absolutely NO NEED for a top of the line computer. Ever.

 

Oh, and the restocking your bank account, I see the downside, and it's really, really obvious. You take your money, and blow it on a computer, and get horribly addicted to it. You lose all thoughts of getting a job, or hanging out with your friends. You go to bed at midnight every night, and constantly sleep in class.

 

Bottom line, you really don't need a computer that badly.

Your just unlucky to have non-gaming parents Arab. I'm a gaming parent, and as long as the kids aren't messin' up in life, I don't have a problem with them playing as much as they want. As long as their responsibilities are taken care of, they can play all they want.

 

Here is how I would approach things....

 

First off, do your research and make sure you are getting the best bang for your buck on the computer of your choice. Maybe with a bit of research about what you want vs what you can get by with, you can lower the amount of money you are spending to an amount your parents can tolerate you spending better.

 

As for the gaming more part... well, you can't argue that away. It's true you'll want bigger and better games, and you can't deny that. They think it's a waste of time... that's an unfortunate fact of life we gamers face is the stigma attached to those who don't game. What you have to do, is isolate exactly WHY do they think it's a waste of time? What is it exactly they have against gaming vs any other hobby you might have? I mean, when you get down to it, it's no different than some peaple spending so much money on their hobbies. Way some peaple sit in front of the TV and turn into couch potatoes is quite simular to how some peaple game... but at least the gamers are interacting with the game and using their imagination to beat it.

 

Once you idenify what part exactly about the gaming bothers them, you can come up with a better arguement to counter their concern. I say concern because deep down, I'm sure they're doing what they think is right... and we can't fault them for that.

 

If their afraid it keeps you from socialising, it's because they don't realise how deeply social gaming itself is... even if it's just online. Have they actually sat and watched you play, and shoot the bull and play with your buds? And most gamers aren't just computer gamers, they spread it into the more face to face persuits like D&D and other various dice/paper games. When we play, you'll notice we don't just talk about the game, we sometimes talk about life, and the things that concern us. Our shooters are like some more aged peaple's weekly game of bridge or poker.

 

Are they afraid you'll become a sociopath and start shooting your classmates? After the Columbine shootings, there was a mess of paranoia vs the violent games we sometimes play. My only answer to that is incidents like that are rare and far between... and I doubt that somebody that unstable would of just been set of by a game... as their is plenty of other media like movies and music that can be pointed out as the trigger for such behavior.

 

Are you isolating yourself from your family when you play? Perhaps they are just afraid you will become a stranger to them... something that tends to happen anyway when young adults like yourself reach the age you are. They may be confusing what is normal behavior for someone such yourself (who is probably just trying to find his idenity as a person outside the family) as something that the games are influencing instead.

 

Do they think it's not good for your head? Maybe they don't understand the creativity and strategy behind alot of these games. Especially if your playing Guild Wars.... I myself have alot of fun trying to find a way to have the various classes abilities play off and compliment each other which is the reason I myself love the game so much.

 

Point out the good things when all else fails... I'm sure they've heard the hand-eye coordination arguement (and jeez, my 5 year old who has been playing games 2 years now has incredibly good coordination), and you've heard enough of the arguement "You know I'm not leaving the house, and I could be doing worse things". That's a pretty lame arguement, and sounds more like a threat and I would not use that. Try things like the fact you are learning the importance of teamwork, problem solving, and creative thinking... all things that will be needed in the workforce.

 

That's all I can think of. Parents can be stubbern... mostly out of love. Whatever you do, stay calm, and accept their final decision with a calm "I understand, I don't agree, but I understand". The more maturity you display, the more respect you'll gain and make it easier for you in other arguements down the road you may face.

 

Good luck!

yes that is true wsae what it really boils down to is it's not a need but a really strong want and i'm willing to bet with some free tweaking in the right places some performance gains could be seen even tho i am getting myself a new rig it is by no means top of the line but it is above average and i'm nearly 33 and work 2 jobs so i do have some leeway in what i can spend within reason (my wife got a new/used minivan first cause of 6 yr-old and another due in dec.) as long as our "needs" are seen to first.

Seriously, and I don't mean to be rude, but what you have to do is get off the computer, and stop playing games for awhile, hang out with some friends IN REAL LIFE, wait a few weeks, and see if you still desperately need this computer. If you have one that runs the game, that's absolutely fine. There is absolutely NO NEED for a top of the line computer. Ever.

 

Oh, and the restocking your bank account, I see the downside, and it's really, really obvious. You take your money, and blow it on a computer, and get horribly addicted to it. You lose all thoughts of getting a job, or hanging out with your friends. You go to bed at midnight every night, and constantly sleep in class.

 

Bottom line, you really don't need a computer that badly.

 

wow sock, dont get this blown out of proportion here.

 

Look, you are seriously underestimating my willpower on this one. When I first got my current comp it ran all games fine, and yet I still have good grades. I wont be playing games more than I already am, because that is enough and I don't get tired of the games because they run slowly, I get tired of playing because I simply want to do something else.

 

Now, as for the implication that I have no real life that is false. I go and hang out with friends a lot, and I really would rather be doing that than playing computer or other things around the house a lot of the time. Problem is that my friends have stuff to do. So I hang out with em when I can.

 

Anyways. As for comparing bang for buck and the such, I had mac look over my comp build and revise it and the such, and he knows a lot more about it than I do. So I feel safe there, plus I am building a system that I will be able to upgrade a lot later on, so I wont have to lay down so much cash for a new computer, just bits here and there for upgrades.

 

Roach, good arguments there too. I will point some of those out to them.

 

And I know it is a strong want and not a need....I didnt say it was a need.

 

Oh and I just got back from the National Leadership Forum thing, they had a lot of speakers come and talk to us. One was a Lt. Col. from the army who talked about killing. Heres something about all those school shooters:

 

They all played video games too much (24/7). None of them were involved in any kind of extracurricular activity, varsity sports, youth group, or any kind of club or social thing. They all played games in all of their free time. So, as long as we are still doing some of those things, we should be ok.

 

Guys, thanks for all the help. I will keep it all in mind and see what I can do.