After reading Phroggs post, I felt compelled to write this one.

 

COD4 Pros vs. BF2142 Pros and Cons (my opinion, and as seen through my eyes)

 

BF2142 Pros:

 

- Great Teamwork and Game play (the best I've ever seen)

 

- Graphics look great and are smooth

 

- Maps are large and well thought out

 

- Player models, sound, and animation are ver good (for today's standard)

 

- Fully functional VoIP system to allow talk between SL and SM, and SL and CC.

 

- Buddy system makes it easy invite and track Buddy's on-line

 

- The whole Commander, Squad Leader, and Squad member makes the game enjoyable

 

BF2142 Cons:

 

- Buggy, but considering all the things that went into the game, this is rather expected

 

- Weapons sometimes do not detect hits, and may require more ammo to kill a player

 

- Server crashes (although this, and other items, seems to be fixed for the next patch)

 

- Some of the weapons need balancing still

 

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COD4 Pros:

 

- Great looking graphics

 

- Most weapon models look and sound great

 

- Great looking maps, although very small

 

- Fast "shoot-um-up" player action

 

- Bug free (as far as I know)

 

- Nice departure from for those of us who were suffering from Battlefield burnout

 

COD4 Cons:

 

- Player animation looks cartoonish to me. It's almost to the point of being funny to watch them move.

 

- No buddy list to find, search, or add fellow players

 

- No vehicles (just the laggy chopper and jet fighters flying overhead with no pilots in them)

 

- No easy way to search for servers by name

 

- Weapon balance issues galore

 

- Players tend to mostly camp and wait for easy kills (I guess to rank up faster)

 

- No strategy as far as I could see, with mostly "run-and-gun" tactics

 

- From my point of view, it appears to be a re-skin of Call of Duty 2, with a few new add-ons (perks)

 

- Too much random nade spamming ...I guess it's easy to do with small maps and lots of players

 

- Air strikes lag my system out, and are too frequent (there should be a time limit between bombing runs)

 

Conclusion:

 

I like both games, but I still like the battlefield series better. COD4 is a great game, and I enjoy playing it immensely. I also enjoy having the ability to switch between the 3 games we offer here (COD4, Special Forces, and BF2142). You will mostly find me playing the Battlefield series games though, because BF is what I personally enjoy the most. I will play COD4 to mostly hang out with you slugs, but my preference is with Battlefield. I like the ability to jump into a tank, or a chopper, and work together as a team. This is not offered with COD4.

 

Again, these are my thoughts, and only my thoughts. We all have our own opinion, and this one is mine, so don't flame me too hard.

well I havent seen or played the acctual multiplayer, but from what everyone else is saying sounds like this game isnt as great as they advertised maybe. I am hoping that firearms source doesnt end up like cod4.

same here i still like the battlefield games more than the call of duty ones

CoD4 is fun but I still prefer Quake Wars.

Well said Gator. I like COD4. It is fun, but your right...its missing the whole teamwork aspect. I posted before on this so I wont again, but unless if they made drastic changes...which they wont or cant( I dont know what they can do in patches), It will die out sooner then later.

I am with you Gator all the way cod4 is ok and it is fun but is not bf i hope a new bf game come out soon i need one now it is all most like a drug or something lol

Ok i have been playing cod4 now for a week or so it is a OK fun at (times) if you playing in a small room with less then 20 players I have not seen any teamwork and that is why we are all in armory clan right??? this game will not last very long no replay value..

 

Better then ANY BF games i do not think so BF games are better this is how i see it BF GAMES ALL THE WAY FOR ME

 

Well said!

Well I stopped playing 2142 because the "strategy" on maps boils down to this.

 

Cerebere, defenders kill everything you see, don't let a car past. If they do get the top point and hold it you lose. Attackers try to sneak past or force your way through with numbers.

 

Gibraltar, defenders kill everything you see, don't let a car past. If they do get the back point and hold it you lose. Attackers try to sneak past or force your way through with numbers.

 

Tunis, run around killing each other, stay with a group, sneak past the other team with a car to cap them from behind, avoid the mech.

 

Belgrade, cap the hill, keep the mech in your control, victory.

 

Titan, cap silos, smash into the other team over and over, play musical chairs with the silos as you chase each other around. Once the shield is down you smash into each other on the titan and wait for the missiles to win it for you. Half the time your team doesn't care about the silos and just want points for defending or attacking the titan, this usually leaves one or two people attacking silos after the shields are down. If you can't get the quick win prepare for thirty minutes of silo hopping. If the other teams locks down all the vehicles on the ground prepare to be slaughtered.

 

Rinse, repeat. Voss, rockets, grenade spam. Every game plays out that way.

 

30% of the time you're on a good team, 30% of the time you're on a bad team, 40% of the time the teams are fairly well balanced. That 60% of the time when the teams are uneven you either get bored and feel bad because you win in ten minutes and crush the other guys, or you're on a team so incompetent that you get rolled and spawn camped when your team gets stuck at their base.

 

Then your install just randomly craps out and the game has to be reinstalled three times in as many months. Forcing you to reset all your settings and waste half an hour reinstalling everything in just the right order lest you have to start over again because god forbid you install one patch before northern strike and not after, a fact EA fails to mention ANYWHERE.

 

Right now I can't even play, tried yesterday because I wanted to help start city maps and my game won't boot AGAIN. I'm not even going to bother trying to fix it. It did that same thing a month ago when we had the clan match and it took 45 minutes to fix.

 

The only way this game would be fun again is if I were to play on the smaller map configurations with less than 24 people. There is a configuration of Tunis that plays on parts of the map you never can get to otherwise and its pretty fun, but I'd never played it before because every server uses the large maps.

 

COD4 is battlefield boiled down to the essence that made 2142 fun for me in the first place with none of EAs crap and a fast pace that 2142 can often lack.

 

I like 16 man servers the best because with too many guys the game just gets too hectic. Unfortunately there aren't many out there and I feel ours is just too big right now. 24 is a always a cluster and not much fun.

 

Search and destroy is basically counterstrike, which I know some people don't enjoy, but I do, so I like it. Domination is flag capturing just like BF. HQ is fun because there is nothing more exciting than defending a point with only one live to lose and an endless horde of bad guys bearing down on you. Team death match is fun when you don't want to worry about points and defense and all that nonsense. Free for all is god awful and frustrating.

 

If someone is camping and keeps killing you, go around him, every map provides two ways to any one point. Learn the maps, don't keep running straight at the person. If the pace is too hectic, play on a smaller server. If there is no team play, play headquarters, search and destroy, or domination and use in game VOIP, not just vent.

 

I enjoy COD4 because it is something new to learn and get better at. 2142 is that same gameplay from BF2 so I already know all the tricks and can pretty much be assured of a 2:1+ kill to death ratio every round, and that gets old.

I'm kind of in the middle ground on this debate. I really REALLY like CoD4...I only played it for...oh god...6-7 hours the first day I got it. I really enjoy the fast pace nature of the game. There are times where I get really frustrated because I'm either getting shot in the back or my bullets won't kill someone, but that's the exact same for me in BF2 or 2142. 2142 got to the point for me where it just wasn't fun...plain and simple. It just didn't have that long lasting appeal that BF2 and SF still have for me.

 

CoD4 is something really fresh for me. I'm not good at it by any means. I'm usually at at 1:1 ratio IF I'm lucky. At times I'm at a 1:2 ratio, but that's happened to me in BF a lot so it's not that different. I'll probably be playing CoD4 for a while now that I have it. I might play BF2 of SF from time to time, but I can almost guarantee that I won't play 2142. I might help set up a server, but one round and that's it. It's just not appealing to me anymore.

Agreed Phunky, 2142 just never had it in the first place. BF2 was a great game, 2142 just never cut it. COD4 is the way to go. These games are also completely differemnt, it's like comparing apples to oranges.

Great responses everyone. I'm glad see some of you are enjoying the game. I agree, the game would be more fun with a lower player count. Presently, we are experimenting with the player numbers, so eventually, we will have a couple of servers running the game at a proper (and fun) player count.

 

We offer 3 games at the Armory, BF2:SF, BF2142, and COD4, so we can all enjoy and play the games we like. My thread here was not to make a case that BF2142 is the better of the games, but rather I wanted to share my thoughts and personal perspective on the game.

 

To sum it up, I really like a larger battlefield with vehicles, because you can get immersed in the greatness of the action. On the other hand, I do not like to walk 3 steps and be constantly shot in the back, front, and side, by a player hiding and waiting (camping) in a balcony somewhere. But that just me...

 

The beauty of this whole thing is that we get to play together as a group, enjoy the many friendships, and have fun. Besides, that's what it is all about.

 

Please let me get back to the action, so I can enoy some more Rinse, and repeat.

The beauty of this whole thing is that we get to play together as a group, enjoy the many friendships, and have fun. Besides, that's what it is all about.

That is the main thing right there.

 

Anyway, one thing I can't even believe is when game makers come out with something where you can't search for a server by name, have no buddy list, ranking system too easy and a few other things that I can't think of. They make games for a living and how do they miss they important things?

Sadly I must be the rotten apple about CoD4. I personally found the single-player to be almost like a mod for CoD2 or CoD3 (xbox360/ps3). It was fun, but I guess I had higher expectations. The multi-player seemed like a total let down from how much they hyped it up and promised a unique and different feel from the past games. I still feel like I'm playing my old CoD1 (along with expansion, but at least that had vehicles) multi-player. Battlefield 2142 is still my top-dog fps....well, next to TF2 now. 2142 may be tied for 1st if only I could get that blank Punkbuster error to quit popping up and kicking me. I would like to see/play with a few Armory people on some TF2 though I've been playing it on the SomethingAwful servers (comedy website/forums/etc...) since they try to keep control of who is allowed in (filter out the pubbies/very bad apples).

You guys know where I stand.

 

Mindless killing is no fun. I love attacking on Cerebere & Gibraltar. Sneaking around and capturing one of the flags behind the enemy is more rewarding then spawn killing a bunch of ppl, I always try to help my team win.

 

I had no problems with 2142 until I bought my X-Fi and was forced to setup dual boot Vista+XP, I like setting up OS's n such so I didn't really care about that. BF2 wouldn't run right either so it's not just 2142, EA would rather put out as many titles as possible vs making one really good stable game.

Well for me I am pretty bad at all of them ,it is all about being and playing with yall that makes the game worth it for me. You will always find me where the crowd is regardless of the game we are playing

The one thing I hate about COD4 is the lack of communication, no squads and no in game talk

So far, I've found the most enjoyable CoD4 experience for me is a Domination game, with small teams (5-6 each). The map sizes simply aren't large enough for large groups. Line Anibis said, the old "Spray-n-pray" run and gun gets old after a while without anything further to add to the game.

COD4 Cons:

 

- Player animation looks cartoonish to me. It's almost to the point of being funny to watch them move.

I completely disagree. I've found the animations in COD4 to be the smoothest, most realistic animations of any game I've ever seen. On occasion, it's like watching a movie or playing singleplayer. I always speak highly of the animations.

- No buddy list to find, search, or add fellow players

BF2 didn't have this either. CS 1.6 didn't have it. CS:S didn't have it. People are making a stink about it just because 2142 spoiled them with a simple buddy system. Hell... does it actually have a buddy system? I don't even know.

- No vehicles (just the laggy chopper and jet fighters flying overhead with no pilots in them)

It's COD... Not Battlefield. This is like putting a "con" on Counter-strike because it doesn't have vehicles. COD is infantry combat. Battlefield is not. Furthermore, I've never had an issue with the CAS. It's always been smooth for me, so I'm not sure why you're calling it 'laggy'.

- No easy way to search for servers by name

Certainly won't argue with this one. The options COD4 gives you are very limited. I can't turn off the damn music that plays in-game. I hate it.

- Weapon balance issues galore

Disagree. All weapons are equally powerful in the right hands. It takes practice.

- Players tend to mostly camp and wait for easy kills (I guess to rank up faster)

And yet people complain about run and gunning... Make up your minds.

- No strategy as far as I could see, with mostly "run-and-gun" tactics

Just said they camped... Which is it?

- From my point of view, it appears to be a re-skin of Call of Duty 2, with a few new add-ons (perks)

It is, but BF2142 is just a slightly modified version of BF2 as well. Counter-strike: Source is just an updated version of CS 1.6. Games stick with what works. COD2 was immensely successful. Why change what isn't broken?

- Too much random nade spamming ...I guess it's easy to do with small maps and lots of players

This is a map problem, yes. Maps are too small and there are many choke-points, so 203 spam is frequent. But if we take a look at BF2, 203 and nade spam is far more common.

- Air strikes lag my system out, and are too frequent (there should be a time limit between bombing runs)

I've never had a problem with airstrikes. Always been smooth for me. Also, there is a time limit -- you have to:1.) Get 6 kills without dying. Not an easy task in a game like this.

 

2.) Initiate airstrike.

 

2a.) If anyone else has used an airstrike in the last 15 seconds or so, you can't. If there is a friendly or hostile airplane on your compass, you cannot use an airstrike. It's plenty spaced out.

 

DISCLAIMER: I understand COD4 has its flaws (and believe me, though I seem it, I am not a COD[4] fanboy), but a lot of you guys are making a huge stink over nothing.

DISCLAIMER: I understand COD4 has its flaws (and believe me' date=' though I seem it, I am not a COD[4'] fanboy), but a lot of you guys are making a huge stink over nothing.

Well, you mentioned "you guys", but actually you targeted and singled out my post, line by line, so I will respond back to you directly. Also, nobody here is making a "stink" about anything. Everyone was simply sharing "their" personal thoughts about COD4, whether it be positive or negative.

 

Yes, it is a "Run and Gun" shooter, and yes, there are a number of players who camp. I know you may not be able to grasp the concept, but yes, they can both coexist in the same little gaming world. This is a known fact and is understood by the average player, so why is it difficult for you to understand? It's obvious that you are just trying to be cute, and not actually add anything constructive to this thread.

 

Yes, air strikes are laggy for me, and I have heard the same complaint from many other players as well. I know this, because I use Ventrilo and listen to the player's input. Anyone who saves their air strike can use it at anytime, so yes, there are situations where the frequency of air strikes is almost back to back. You might try joining your fellow clan mates in Ventrilo sometime before making uninformed comments that are completely unfounded and baseless.

 

If you think the animations are super great, well, good for you. I personally think they look like crap and are cartoonish to me, but that's my opinion, and my opinion is not up for debate..

 

For whatever reason, you felt compelled to make an argument out of everything I said in this thread. Why didn't you just tell us how you felt about the game, rather than trying to turn this thread into a meaningless debate. I wrote how I felt about the game, which opened it up for you to tell us how you felt about the game. It was just that simple!

 

As I said, overall, I thought the game was a lot of fun, and I very much plan to play more in the near future. I was merely sharing my views of the game, as I compared it to Battlefield 2142, a game I've played solely for more than a year.

 

Have a great day!

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My response was not meant to be offensive in any way; however, your opinions encompass rather effectively what most everyone else is feeling about the game, that is why I directly addressed your 'cons' and provided my own view. That is, after all, what opinions are about, isn't it? One person says one thing, and the other can say another?

 

I can point to other threads were people have said similar things to what you, Gator, have said in this thread. The "I'm Done" thread comes to mind. Phrogg's, I believe it was Phrogg's, thread as well.

 

I fully understand FPS mechanics; I understand that camping and running and gunning can coincide, but at the same time, they completely contradict each other and a game cannot be both campy AND runny-and-gunny. It either favours camping or it favours running and gunning. Certain maps obviously influence this to some extent. Camping is a tactic that is complements running and gunning, despite being completely different, basically. In a real-world scenario, we'd be looking at a 'camper' providing cover for the main assault team, or the 'run and gunners'. The maps are small enough for this to make sense.Campers thin the numbers of bad guys for those of us running around and killing; furthermore, the maps are also small enough that campers can effectively be countered. Snipers are not out of range, nor is there much hard cover provided.

 

I've experienced the back-to-back airstrikes. Even though I don't always get in Ventrilo when I play, I've played plenty with clan members over the past few days since COD's release. There are a few members that can testify to this. I don't have to be in Ventrilo for that. What I was getting at is there is plenty of time between them [airstrikes] even if they're back-to-back. There is a downtime after the bombs have been dropped and it's more than fine as-is.

 

In conclusion/tl;dr: Your post kind of covered most of the cons about the game that most of the people are upset with. I addressed the opinion, and offered my own in return, not the poster of the opinion(s), hence "you guys".

 

Debates, which in my opinion are not meaningless, are what forums are for. Discussion and sharing of opinions and experience.

 

No need to get offended.

 

Hug?

Lets just toss this game aside and focus on the current main Armory-games. Maybe even get some updates on FA:Source.......or some talk of TF2 clan-playing

Lets just toss this game aside and focus on the current main Armory-games. Maybe even get some updates on FA:Source.......or some talk of TF2 clan-playing

agreed very much so:D:thumbsup:

That is the main thing right there.

 

Anyway, one thing I can't even believe is when game makers come out with something where you can't search for a server by name, have no buddy list, ranking system too easy and a few other things that I can't think of. They make games for a living and how do they miss they important things?

That is what gets me right there. How do you not think of putting in a buddy list, find a server by name, or being able to make your own class in game?

 

I know what it is. They haven't played FA. While it is a old game. It had everything you could pretty much want in a FPS. Except the ranking system to get the unlocks. Instead of that though you got them in game, but you just couldn't keep them from map to map. Ahhhh, good old FA..........

 

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What they need to do is get some of the people from BF2 series and the COD series, and combine the features of each game. While it seems everyone here enjoys each game. No one is really one sided. Each game has features that everyone enjoys.

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I finally played the demo yesterday and was a bit on the fence. I never cared for COD1 it couldn't hold a candle to the BF series of games in my opinion. COD4 was hyped a lot, and I almost found myself buying it but thought I would wait and see what the Armory thinks. Sounds to me like its a great distraction to avoid burnout and has its own merits. I think I will wait until the hype has died down and the price drops considerabley before I plunk down cash since I can't game as much as before. You all have saved me some coin and for that I am most appreciative. Hope to get back in to the BF games again soon.

 

Thanks